I believe the Republicans could have prevented it. Although Trump was found guilty in the (1st) impeachment, they voted to acquit him in the Senate. Fox News could have prevented it by more honesty and fact checking. We don't get it here in Europe but many say it is part of the problem, because it spread Trump's lies.Could you say that both the Republican party and their Fox News TV station have radicalized and "derailed" ? Is this a chance for the Republicans to renew themselves?-J. -------- Original message --------From: Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> Date: 1/7/21 23:56 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fallback in barbarism I would say that it is possible because it is allowed. The American mythos has always emphasized the individual over the collective society, freedom (with responsibility in theory, but usually lacking) from government interference, and generally a distrust of government in general. There is a very fine line between libertarianism and anarchism. Our constitutionally enshrined freedoms, with little, if any, enshrined responsibilities, allows people to never grow up. A society of adolescents. Most citizens come to understand the need to grow up and be responsible citizens, but are too willing to tolerate those who don't. Couple that with the inherent disdain for government and almost religious devotion to the right to bear arms, and you have a recipe for fringe anti-government militia groups. A few sayings make it clear: "Give me liberty, or give me death" (Patrick Henry); "Those who are willing to give up a little freedom for a little security, deserve neither." (Benjamin Franklin, paraphrased); "You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands." (popularized by the National Rifle Association). This is my take on it, as someone who grew up in deep red Kansas.On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:01 PM Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote:I must say the images from CNN which we receive here in Europe are a bit disturbing. The mob that stormed the heart of American democracy felt like anarchy, like a fallback in barbaric ancient times - the time of Barbarians vs Romans or even the stone age. It is like Neanderthals found a way to use a time machine to travel into the 21st century: one guy was dressed in fur pelts and was holding a wooden stick like a wizard from Lord of the Rings, and one half-naked guy was wearing furs and horns (the one known as "Q shaman"). Long-haired bearded guys have been looting stuff like cavemen - in the center of Washington D.C.!https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION/PROTESTS/qmyvmqewmvr/How is this possible in the oldest democracy of the world? -J.- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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