A "market" found in aboriginal Australia and the South Pacific: 1- the two sides never spoke, only one side was "in the market" at any given time. 2- side A put out piles of the goods(A) they wanted to trade then leave. 3- side B would place their trade goods(B) near the goods(A) they wished to purchase, then leave. 4-Side A would remove piles that had no goods(B) and factor the goods(A) piles into smaller lots, then leave. 5-Side B would add good(B) to the smaller good(A) piles. 4-5 would continue until there was no change in the good(A) and good(B) piles — indicating that X amount of Good(A) was worth Y amount of Good(B)
No "commonality" of which glen speaks. Academia does not function as such a market, but I think FRIAM might. Lot's of ideas put out that attract no response while others spawn long threads. This is a kind of "valuation" of the original idea to others on the list. davew On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, at 2:29 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > IDK, my joke response earlier was intended to say that I can't parse > "market of ideas". A market requires some common measure (e.g. > currency) to which everything is reduced and with which the things are > bought and sold. If it's a market, what is that measure? You could make > an argument that the measure need not be a reduction ... like some sort > of barter. But there would still need to be some commonality, perhaps a > language like English. And my guess is each idea domain has its own > jargon, which implies the domains would all need to be > inter-translatable ... and that would require some discussion of how > isomorphic the languages are. > > I'd argue part of why Nick thinks Sober is a tourist is because their > languages don't match very well. Hence, either it's not a market or > these 2 traders are bad at trading ... or somesuch. > > On 2/18/21 12:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I would think the metaphor is quite precise, since the same force that > > distorts a commercial market place -- accrued power -- also distorts an > > academic one. I guess you might say -- I might say -- that when Sober > > publishes in a behavior journal, he is using his power in one domain -- > > philosophy of biology -- to tour in another. To make that case I would > > have to show that the argument he makes is not only shabby in behavioral > > terms, but no reason to claim that behavioral presuppositions are > > inconsistent with more general principles of science. A heavy lift? > > > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jon zingale > > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:37 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Watch Mars landing this afternoon > > > > Speaking of efficiency, to what extent is it fair to consider academia an > > efficient market of ideas? To the degree that it is, would this justify > > conceptual tourism? > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
