I live on Bundy Lane (100 meters long, with three other households) off of NM 502 and when I give directions to the house I describe it as "Bundy Lane as in Al or Ted" but have had to add "or Ammon and Cliven" to be more current. In another decade I hope none of those references mean anything.
Yes, there is an element of "chumming" among all the "spinning" and "churning". I also liked Glen's usage of "spinning" with "Wing Nuts" a while back... if Doug were still with us, he'd probably throw in some off-color reference to "Spinners" as well. The boon/bane of metaphor I suppose. On 3/10/21 4:41 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Or chumming, as in throwing bloody fish in the water to attract sharks. > > I read BLM protests on first scan as a reference to the Bundy > stand-off, per Wikipedia: > > The 2014 *Bundy standoff* was an armed confrontation between > supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliven_Bundy> and law enforcement > following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States > Bureau of Land Management > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Land_Management> (BLM) > obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in > withheld grazing fees > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazing_fees#United_States> for > Bundy's use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in > southeastern Nevada <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada>. > > > Just another note on the hazards of acronyms. Especially with erratic > memories involved. > > -- rec -- > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:28 PM Steve Smith <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Not speaking for Nick, *I* think politics (vs statesmanship) are > at the very *least* _rhetorical_. I believe rhetoric often > includes direct deceit. A great deal of politics in the US today > (maybe forever) is acutely deceitful, even when it isn't > attack-oriented. One party is significantly more bold than the > other in that regard. DaveW may invert the sense of that > judgement, but probably agrees that deceptive rhetoric is a > mainstay in politics. > > I think the "Civil War" metaphor isn't just deceitful, it is > intentionally provocative and deeply disingenuous. My personal > opinion is that the angry Right Mob and the Puppeteers yanking > their strings wants a *literal* Civil War so that they can > exercise their superior firepower and brutality to obtain/retain > singular minority rule over a growing majority coalition of > minorities. I think the rhetoric of the last year from that > quarter trying to imply that the LEFT was on the verge of starting > a hot Civil War if they "didn't get their way" was more > projection, and intended to create a certain amount of cover > and/or precedent for the type of coup attempt we saw on December > 37th and the acute threats of violence from the right that has > been bubbling for a very long time. > > Perhaps "Cold Civil War" is more apt and less suggestive of > endorsing/tolerating violence as a means. > > Even the most violent of BLM and related protests did not aspire > to overthrow government or reverse an election. While their > attempts to hold law enforcement accountable in response to > specific recent incidents (it is not a small list) and systemic > abuses might have risen above a threshold of violence that many of > us might approve, the movement was NOT about disenfranchising > anyone except the very public servants who are supposed to work > for us ("Protect and Serve"). > > All that said, I'm not unsympathetic with the resentments "the > common man" has against their elected Representatives in our > Republic, but any rhetoric that suggests that the Left is worse > than the Right is acutely disingenuous. > > Regarding the term "spin"... I *do* think it is apt in the sense > of "making your head spin" but I think the metaphor of "churn" is > yet more apt in the sense that a great deal of the point seems to > be to generate lots of obfuscation by conflation. Muddying the > waters... > > - Steve > > >> That's because you think politics is essentially deceitful? >> >> -- rec -- >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:59 PM <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I always thought the metaphor was to a web of deceit. >> >> n >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Roger >> Critchlow >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:53 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] civil war(s) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:34 PM Prof David West >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> schisms might be a better metaphor than civil war. >> >> you are correct that there is, and always has been, >> "churn" among factions within both parties and any >> significance given to a particular instance of that churn >> e.g GOPS taking committee assignments away from a flake >> or the Nevada state party instance — originate in the >> mind of the one pointing at the event rather than >> intrinsic to the event itself. 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