> >> Capitalists plan to make huge profits by recycling. >> https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/ <https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/>
One of the other things I look at when I question the motives of a new "corporate entity" is their chosen State of Incorporation. Nevada and New Jersey are acutely implicated in their attempts to attract "shady" businesses. from Investopedia <https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/nevada_corporation.asp> - Another unique advantage of Nevada corporations is that company officers and directors are well-protected <https://www.natlawreview.com/article/nevada-supreme-court-gross-negligence-insufficient-director-breach-fiduciary-claims> against lawsuits arising from lawful business pursuits. If the principals behind Redwood Materials INC are all upstanding long-time NV residents or there were something specifically obvious about their geography that makes them an obvious location for such an operation, then I can give that question a soft pass. To be fair the principals listed on their website <https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/about> do seem to have honest credentials, albeit maybe weighted toward having come from places that acutely helped to create the problems they are promising to solve... > > Redwood certainly has a slick website... I can't tell what they are > actually *doing*... as websites (and brochures) go, they definitely > claims some conceptual/business territory that might be valuable > later, even if they don't have any significant tech or logistics to > back them up. A good domain name, a few trademarks, some slick > graphic design and aspirational stories can go a long way to generate > something that can be parlayed into "wealth". With any luck, they > are actually investing in the tech and logistics implied and required > by their story. Or also possible, someone who is *doing the work* > already joins forces with them and the "good story" and the "good > work" converge. > > Are they planning to make huge profits recycling or > pretending/aspiring to? And even if they are, what is this free > energy/entropy they are dipping into? What did that represent? > > Maybe the big money invested in *creating all those waste streams* and > *exporting the externalities into one commons or another* will use > these good stories for GreenWashing their usurious behaviour? > > When I personally was confronted with the idea of recycling household > packaging (~40 years ago) I was resistant and resentful. "how dare > YOU tell ME how to dispose of my cans, bottles, boxes, etc.?", "it is > my god-given right to burn off the organics in a barrel and dump the > residuals in the arroyo, or maybe just bury them in my back yard, or > maybe a community landfill, or even better, stick them out at the curb > and have someone else do all that for me!" But as I gave over to the > process of having separate bins and noticing what I was filling those > bins with, I became more aware of what kind of load I was putting on > the downstream systems. When it was made evident that most everything > *except* aluminum cans were either costing a lot of money/energy to > recycle and in fact in some cases were just being rediverted to > landfills, I could have thrown out a cynical "see! it was never a > good idea in the first place!" but instead I had to take a breath and > notice how much embodied energy was implied in these buckets of > bottles, cans, etc. and how much the "dream" of recycling was > aspirational. > > The era when returning shipping containers to Asia filled with our > "recyclables" is apparently over... either their standard of living > raised enough that they could no longer "afford" to sort and process > all of our "junk", or their standards for polluting their own > air/water were raised enough that they could no longer "afford" to > turn our junk into their pollution? When I lived in Berkeley > (2005/6) there were days when air quality monitors on the west coast > could detect particulates wafting all the way across the Pacific. > Many were deeply offended at that, but a few of us recognized that a > huge percentage of that smoke was being generated *on our behalf* > either in energy-expensive manufacturing or in low-cost waste > disposal, FOR US to have ubiquitous and inexpensive consumer > products. And *I* was deeply offended by my own assumptions about > all this. I think this is what Trumpsters refer to as "Progressives' > Self Loathing"? > > My point, if I actually have one, is that our *analytic* efforts to > reduce a huge system to a series of atomic bits we can easily > apprehend and address, does not necessarily address the issues which > are intrinsically *systemic*. I believe that within the > transnational corporations (Leviathan-esque Superorganisms in > themselves) that *they* consider the systemic properties of their > supply chains and the environments they exist withing (raw materials, > labor markets, consumers). It is only when they are asked to (openly) > consider their impact on other systems *outside of their boundaries* > that they want to reduce their arguments to trivialities that can be > addressed/dismissed easily. > > grumble, > > - Steve > >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 17:49, Marcus Daniels <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Corporations are collective intelligences -- people -- but they >> need someone to sell to. No point in owning all the air or >> water unless you have millions of people desperate to pay for >> it! But that said, horizons of five years are a long time for >> most companies. CEOs incentivized to extract every bit out of >> those short horizons to please their shareholders. And the >> shareholders are too selfish to achieve something like Elysium or >> even large private water desalination plants. Even if there is >> a small evil population that kills off the rest, I don't see how >> capitalism is going to lead to that. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 8:11 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets) >> >> I should have linked this: >> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-ted-chiang-transcript.html >> >> <https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-ted-chiang-transcript.html> >> >> "It’s capitalism that wants to reduce costs and reduce costs by >> laying people off. It’s not that like all technology suddenly >> becomes benign in this world. But it’s like, in a world where we >> have really strong social safety nets, then you could maybe >> actually evaluate sort of the pros and cons of technology as a >> technology, as opposed to seeing it through how capitalism is >> going to use it against us. How are giant corporations going to >> use this to increase their profits at our expense?" >> >> On 4/19/21 8:01 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: >> > Ha! Sure. ... it still looks like SteveS called it with the Red >> Queen's Race. Even if such tech solves more problems than it >> creates, it'll still be distributed according to the power >> structures in place (e.g. rich people) when the tech's ready to >> scale. >> > >> > On 4/19/21 7:54 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> Again technology to the rescue... Nanotechnology for >> desalinization. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Friam <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:45 AM >> >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets) >> >> >> >> Copper? Natural gas? Pffft! Water's the interesting one. >> >> >> >> >> https://theconversation.com/interstate-water-wars-are-heating-up-alon >> <https://theconversation.com/interstate-water-wars-are-heating-up-alon> >> >> g-with-the-climate-159092 >> >> >> >> And another one: >> >> >> https://www.theolympian.com/news/business/article250595449.html >> <https://www.theolympian.com/news/business/article250595449.html> >> >> >> >> On 4/15/21 7:59 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: >> >>> Another good example is water rights across states given >> watersheds, >> >>> flood irrigation, etc. >> >>> >> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/05/arizona-water-one-p >> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/05/arizona-water-one-p> >> >>> er >> >>> centers> >> >>> >> >>> So, the question you're asking (how might "storage" in BTC be >> less preferable to other assets?) isn't really answerable >> *without* first discussing what that reservoir is *for*, what end >> does it serve? >> > >> >> -- >> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >> un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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