I will have to rely on your fellow wizards to decode that for me.
In the meantime, I have only to say,
’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
“and that goes for your goddamn cat, too!”
Nick
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The `algorithms’ that don’t work die out or else use up all the oxygen and die
out, etc. In my backyard (and most backyards here) oxalis spreads rapidly.
The `program’ doesn’t crash because there is so much `compute’ to draw upon.
A NAND gate can be embedded in a cellular automata like an Ising spin system,
and all of classical compute can be built on that, and so I would think any AI
we could envision.
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I will answer your “no free lunch” with my, “You get’s no bread with one meat
ball.”
I am currently dazzled by the interdependency of things. To a person so
dazzled, the mystery is not what natural selection (or artificial selection,
for that matter) can accomplish. The mystery is how does natural selection
happen in the first place. Something has to scaffold selection before it even
possible. The mystery is modularity. If I understand you metaphor correctly,
then I am led to ask, what guarantees that any of the proliferated algorithms
don’t just crash the program.
n
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Must a developmental system void large variability? One could imagine
training an autoencoder with different underlying algorithms and/or
hyperparameters and then using them in a opportunistic way. If there is No
Free Lunch, then the natural thing to do is to proliferate algorithms.
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Marcus wrote : Is that right?
Nick responds: is which right?
N
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Is that right? I think sometimes I am the most creative when I am cornered.
When a particular problem comes into tight focus that *must* be solved.
I wonder if skill and modulated attention is really that valuable. And are
there really 7.8 billion unique ways to learn? Or might some set of say 100
future AI algorithms be better (more creative) if scaled-up to have open-ended,
precise memory? Does skill learning really amount to that much, or is it just
hard for humans, and a good AI could make all that suffering go away?
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Hi Dave,
And Hi Jenny!
What is the metaphor the writer has in mind when he speaks of “evolution”.
Evolution-by-natural-selection works by decreasing the variability offered up
by mutation. Evolution-by- phylogenesis may increase variability or decrease
it, depending on the demands of the environment. Stable environments offer the
opportunity for phylogenesis; variable environments suppress it. Developmental
systems, of course, don’t tolerate massive random variability. For a variant
to survive most things have to be held constant. The model Gabriel has in
mind here seems to be like that of the Preconscious advanced many years ago by
Lawrence Kubie in his Neurotic Distortion of the Creative Process which views
craziness (eg Van Gogh) as a limitation of creativity, not as a maker thereof.
(Think of how brilliant Van Gogh would have been if he HADN’T been crazy) True
creativity (says Kubie) arises from the PRE-conscious, e.g., daydreaming, in
which thoughts get scrambled into novel combinations. But even Kubie-variation
would be too great for a developmental system. In general, I think valorizing
variability obscures the fact that in any developmental or evolutionary system
MODERATE levels of variability are essential, and the essential question is how
do we balance the future-seeking power of variation against the stability
necessary for that variation to find expression.
Nick
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A comment by Richard Gabriel that I stole from another conversation (the only
FRIAMMER in that conversation is Jenny Quillien who used to attend the mother
church before moving to the Netherlands).
"I think it adds a dimension to many of the evolution conversations we have had
the past couple of years.
I recommend reading either “Why Greatness Cannot be Planned: The Myth of the
Objective” by Lehman and Stanley or its more technical foundational paper
"Abandoning Objectives: Evolution through the Search for Novelty Alone,” by the
same authors. In this book and paper they argue that natural and artificial
evolution are (better thought of as being) based on (or implemented as) novelty
seeking with survival as a (boring) constraint. The main step of evolution,
they say, is to produce diversity / novelty so that the new creation creates a
new niche: the new mutations don’t compete with others for resources, they
exploit different resources. For example, when exaptation created the first
flyers, all of a sudden a whole raft of predators became irrelevant.
So evolution is looking for new ways to live instead of better ways to live.
Within an established species, it might be that evolution as optimization
creates incremental improvements.
If evolution is based on creating novelty, then after all the simple
(different) ways to live have been tried, the only direction to go is
complexity."
davew
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