Lazily composing at least two upshots of this conversation (and the smart-contract parallel one):
1) I think Russ brought up what *I* thought was implicit in Reciprocity (though I understand why it is not since I borrowed my use of the term from gift economies, not adhering to the (obvious) mathematical meaning that most here would jump to): My intended connotation of Reciprocity included both "spirit of generosity and gratitude", so it is excellent that those were called out as possibly essential (or at least efficient?) in improving the state of our relations. 2) Glen opened the question of "transitivity" which I think you (Jon) are addressing here with good motivation. In my smart-contract considerations, the point would be that the values one attached to "raw value" (money/crypto¢) in their transactions would propogate through. For example, food stamps cannot (directly) be redeemed for non-food items (specifically alcohol, tobacco, pet food, sunglasses) and if I paid a 500% surcharge on the few gallons of petrol I run through my Extended Range EV as a way to decline to participate in A) blood for oil wars and B) clubbing baby seals in the arctic, those crypto¢ would *avoid* the pockets of the warmongers and seal-clubbers and settle in the pockets of those who went to the effort to get their oil without that. Of course, just like there can be black/grey markets in food stamps "hey buddy, I'll give ya $.50 on the dollar for those food stamps!", there would surely appear money-changers/launderers who would *try* to cross-connect the drinking water with the black water for their own profits. In principle, pervasive use of smart contracts *could* make that vanishingly harder and harder with adoption. 3) I knew "at least" would come in handy. My intuitive conception of Reciprocity is that it is as much about back as forward propogation. SteveG will love the opportunity for a Dual Field encoding I think. By taking Renee to dinner for Mother's Day, he not only acts as a proxy for her own children in some sense, I would like to believe he did it *because* Renee's motherhood has already been her gift to him... whatever benefits he gets from a step-role, from Renee being a better partner having raised children, etc. and that dinner is to honor and reciprocate for something he has *already received* from her (see 1 above, "gratitude"). The spectral graph and circuit analysis Jon points to may well be useful/important for measurement/analysis of how well a system is working. Ideally the implementation is entirely local in the sense of agents on networks of transactions. Smart contracts are an implementation of distributed computation where computation (complex decision making) is deferred to the last (or most appropriate) place in the network. For example, the fueling depot that accepts my anti-war/anti-ANWR crypto¢ for petrol passes it to his wholesale source which passes it through the "circuit".... the gas pump owner doesn't need to know (or share or even have an opinion on) what "values" are embedded in my crypto¢, he simply takes his "service cut" on the transaction as does each other middleman right up to the guy gently scooping teaspoons of bubbling crude out of an artesian well to run through his handmade still. His still produces no better (maybe worse) heptane/octane than BP or ARCO but he *still* gets paid (ultimately by me) for so gently milking the dino juice from the earth for me. - Steve On 5/11/21 3:21 PM, jon zingale wrote: > I have failed to follow this discussion very closely. That said, to > what extent could frameworks like those that underlie spring rank > <https://github.com/cdebacco/SpringRank> or gauge-theoretic price as > curvature <https://arxiv.org/pdf/0908.3043.pdf> give reasonable > characterizations of reciprocity over circuits? To what extent does > Levine's > <https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/002251938090288X> > (painfully straightforward) solving for eigenstates? > > * Apologies for any paywalls, I am often stymied to find better access. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sent from the Friam mailing list archive > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> at Nabble.com. > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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