Thanks Nick, your theory resonates with me. On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 20:54, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Russ, > > > > Nothing worse than the elderly citing themselves, but what alternatives do > I have? > > > > By the way, in this case “genetic out come” refers neither to “the genes” > in general or to “benefits to the species” but to the specific competition > between the “genefur” supporting collective action and the “genefur” > individually directed action. Thus, for the article to make sense to you, > you already have to believe in “genesfur”. As you know, I have worried > with increasing frequency about the possibility of “genesfur”. How do you > get fur on a gene, anyway? > > Nick Thompson > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott > *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2021 2:26 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] “Don’t they have grandchildren?” was The case for > universal basic income UBI > > > > Glen is right. I was quoting McKibbon writing about Weintrobe. Of course I > did that because I thought that see made an important point. Here's the > extract again. > > > > "Weintrobe writes that people’s psyches are divided into caring and > uncaring parts, and the conflict between them “is at the heart of great > literature down the ages, and all major religions.” The uncaring part wants > to put ourselves first; it’s the narcissistic corners of the brain that > persuade each of us that we are uniquely important and deserving, and make > us want to except ourselves from the rules that society or morality set so > that we can have what we want. “Most people’s caring self is strong enough > to hold their inner exception in check,” she notes, but, troublingly, “ours > is the Golden Age of Exceptionalism.” ... > > > > I found this interesting because it related back to our earlier > discussion of reciprocity. If it is in our nature to have these two warring > parts of our psyches, there is probably no hope that the "caring part" will > ever fully triumph over the "uncaring part" and reliably hold the uncaring > part in check. Presumably, this has to do with evolution and the need for > both parts for successful long-term survival of a species. > > > > If you buy that, and I think it's right, then what kind of society can be > constructed of organisms with these two components that drive their > behavior? That's the question we've been struggling with both in this > discussion and over the ages. The answer presumably has to do with as much > freedom as possible but freedom reigned in by enforced rules that prevent > our uncaring parts from destroying that society. > > > > The neoliberalism discussion has to do with the observation that our > society has been moving in the direction of giving the uncaring parts too > much power. > > > > -- Russ Abbott > Professor, Computer Science > California State University, Los Angeles > > > > > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:42 AM Pieter Steenekamp < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you DaveW, I support this! > > > > > > On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 04:53, Prof David West <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > What started the problem (at least in the West)" > > > > *"Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, according to our > likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the > birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the > earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.” > [Christian Bible]* > > > > Potential way out: > > > > *Those who have taken upon them to lay down the law of nature as a thing > already searched out and understood, whether they have spoken in simple > assurance or professional affectation, have therein done philosophy and the > sciences great injury. For as they have been successful in inducing belief, > so they have been effective in quenching and stopping inquiry; and have > done more harm by spoiling and putting an end to other men's efforts than > good by their own. Those on the other hand who have taken a contrary > course, and asserted that absolutely nothing can be known — whether it were > from hatred of the ancient sophists, or from uncertainty and fluctuation of > mind, or even from a kind of fullness of learning, that they fell upon this > opinion — have certainly advanced reasons for it that are not to be > despised; but yet they have neither started from true principles nor rested > in the just conclusion, zeal and affectation having carried them much too > far... [Sir Francis Bacon]* > > > > *davew* > > > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Sorry. I admire your memory. > > > > --- > > Frank C. Wimberly > > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > > > 505 670-9918 > > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:11 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[email protected]> wrote: > > Only about 100,000 times. >8^D The trick is whether or not you believe > that sort of modeling is mechanistic or *merely* generative. > > > > On 5/21/21 2:08 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > > Did I already post this here? > > > > > > > > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228446085_Simulation_validation_using_Causal_Inference_Theory_with_morphological_constraints#fullTextFileContent > < > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228446085_Simulation_validation_using_Causal_Inference_Theory_with_morphological_constraints#fullTextFileContent > > > > > --- > > > > -- > > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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