I should have said "out of favor" instead of "bad reputation".
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 3:50 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think psychologists in general use language that way. > Behaviorists may. When I was a graduate student in psychology 55 years ago > behaviorism had a bad reputation, at least at Carnegie Mellon but I suspect > at other places that emphasized theories of cognition. > > After a year I switched to the grad program in math because I couldn't > cope with the ambiguities. I was young > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 3:32 PM David Eric Smith <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This is where there is a style of use of language that may be unique to >> Nick among all humans, or may be a tribal custom among the psychologists, >> but which the common man needs to be aware exists, so that he knows that >> the way Nick/psychologists use words will be directly opposed to the way >> the common man has always used them. >> >> If that question disappears for you under those circumstances, then I can >> simply admit that a pleasure is just the behavioral transition that occurs >> upon the achievement of set of circumstances, and escape the tautology by >> defining a goal as the organization of behavior that points to a set of >> circumstances. >> >> >> So, in archery, the way the archer points the bow (organization of >> behavior) is the “goal”, and the event of an arrow’s hitting a bullseye is >> somehow not a goal. Nick didn’t happen to use the word “function” in the >> clip above; I have no idea what he would say a “function” is, but in the >> earlier posts, it was as bizarrely glossed to me as this glossing of goal, >> so I can’t even come up with a guess for how to imitate it. >> >> The plugging in of an address for the supermarket to the GPS while >> sitting in the car in the driveway (organization of behavior) is the goal, >> not the event of my arriving at the supermarket. >> >> For me as a mechanic, the bullseye as a position for arrows is the goal >> (applied to an object), or the event of the arrow’s arriving there is a >> goal (applied to an outcome of a behavior) that serves as a selection >> criterion among directions in which a bow might be pointed. My pointing >> the bow one way versus another is to me a function for attaining that >> goal. The event of arriving at a supermarket is the goal that serves as a >> criterion for selection of which GPS location I plug in; the act of >> plugging in that address is then a function for attaining that goal. >> >> I know that, in response to this, Nick will reply with a sequence of >> English-language words that I find even more unparseable than the ones >> above. >> >> The meditators do this too. If I comment that, as a mechanic, I am >> interested in what would get people to be more restrained in the use of >> excesses of power when they find themselves in possession of such, to try >> to unwind the death spiral that is leading to the dissolution of the >> society, I know that the meditators will say “Poor child, lost in samsara, >> he doesn’t realize that all these things he refers to are just illusion.” >> If I say to them that this is what I expect them to say, the meditators >> get annoyed at me because they think I am insulting them. They say “when >> we say, over and over again, in the first pages of every piece of our >> literature, and again every three pages after that, that `all that is >> illusion’ “, we don’t mean that all that is illusion. You strawman us. >> Seriously? >> >> I guess that’s how either discipline-specific or idiosyncratic speech >> habits work. What is unexplainably self-evident to one person is >> mystifying to somebody else. >> >> Eric >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >
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