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505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:17 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> wrote: > Nick, the problem here is context. Time moves on and change happens, both > positive and negative. Now we have post-colonialism, BLM, and #metoo. > What I think is interesting is that these internet-driven movements create > a more distributed "Hero" cohort, whose charisma doesn't lead to worship, > but perhaps leads to a different kind of celebrity. Of course, all heroes > are human and thus always flawed, except for David Miliband and > Mikhail Gorbachev. My old boss, Jimmy Carter, was also pretty good, but > remember--unlike Woody Allen--he did lust after women in his heart. > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 12:09 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, everybody, >> >> >> >> I know. Who has time to listen to podcasts. Most of them are redundant >> and so can be listened to while making chicken pot pie. But every once in >> a while there is one I have to listen to twice because it acquaints me with >> a bunch of stuff I never will dive into but which I really want to know. >> >> >> >> >> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-story-of-americas-founding-you-werent-taught-in-school/id1548604447?i=1000539039484 >> >> >> >> The interviewee here Woody Houlton, a promoter of the 1619 Project, whose >> goal is to recast the American revolution and particularly the constitution >> as counter revolutionary moves. It puts me in mind of Charles Beard, an >> American historian who wrote in the 30’s a materialist history of the US >> which was largely buried during the McCarthy era. (I hope I have this >> right, John) The REAL revolution, on this account occurs after the Civil >> War with the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. What I love about this >> is that illuminates for me what is going on in our current debates over >> textualism. The Textualists are trying to get us back to the pre-Civil War >> constitution which was dedicated to preserving the prerogatives of the >> privileged classes. That’s the world they hanker for. Another bell it >> rings for me concerns “cancel culture”. Washington and Jefferson were in >> many ways, vile men: Both were voracious land speculators in stolen Indian >> land and Jefferson, in his Idyllic Monticello, literally lived on top of >> the underground habitations of his slaves. >> >> >> >> >> What do we do when we discover that people who have achieved great things >> have also done great harms. Basically it comes down to, Am I allowed to >> watch a Woody Allen Movie? Perhaps, if I were to watch a Woody Allen >> movie, it would mean that I was NOT watching an equally good movie by an >> unknown film guy, that our worship of Lee and Washington and Jefferson >> crowds out the accomplishments of lesser known figures. Shall we instead >> worship MLK, who I guess was an infamous philanderer? >> >> >> >> I think the problem here is with WORSHIP, full stop. But, then, if we >> don’t stand together in admiration of other people, how do we stand >> together. How do we achieve coalition without charisma? >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > > -- > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > twitter: @merle110 > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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