Eric, Neither publicly nor privately.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 9:02 PM Eric Charles <[email protected]> wrote: > Frank, > That all seems 100% positive to me. > > Do you also routinely publicly complain about how legislatures are lax in > not forcing you to do more of that sort of thing, because you strongly > think that you should do more, but are unwilling to without the government > forcing you to? > > THAT is what the Patriotic Millionaires are doing. > > <[email protected]> > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 9:43 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I probably shouldn't volunteer to be a case in your argument but... >> >> I do make donations to universities and a church. Today my wife and >> grandson Matthew assembled packages of hygiene products for Ukrainian >> refugees which included things like towels, toothpaste, toothbrushes, soap, >> shampoo etc. This was done at United Church of Santa Fe. As for financial >> contributions we spend $20k per year for tuition at Matthew's school which >> is a Montessori school for kids with executive function problems. There >> are a number of scholarship students whose families wouldn't be able to >> send their kids there without help. >> >> The church group put together 137 packages this morning. We donated >> funds for the purchase of some of the stuff. >> >> Melinda Gates said that if you're a billionaire you can donate half of >> your assets without any impact on your lifestyle. But that's a different >> question. >> >> Frank >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 7:24 PM Eric Charles <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> While some of the goals of groups like "Patriotic Millionaires" are >>> admirable, I can never get past the blatant hypocrisy of it all. Maybe >>> "hypocrisy" isn't exactly the right term. You could also see the part >>> that bugs me as a bizarre worship of the benefits of authority over >>> individual choice. Let me rephrase their primary claim: "I, as a rich >>> person, recognize that I really *should *give more of my money to >>> certain causes, but I adamantly refuse to do so unless forced to do so by >>> the federal legislature." >>> >>> What is anyone really to make of that position? Is it any different than >>> trying to look virtuous by saying that you know you should stop using child >>> labor in your mine, while also publicly refusing to stop unless the >>> government makes you? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 3:08 PM glen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Obviously, I'm either procrastinating or unclear on how best to do >>>> actual work today because here is yet another thing I meant to talk about >>>> with someone, anyone, awhile back: >>>> >>>> https://patrioticmillionaires.org/about/ >>>> >>>> A salon participant recently asked whether "greed" was our most >>>> nefarious trait as a species. It's a great question for sparking >>>> discussion. My answer was that the most nefarious trait of *all* species is >>>> myopia, the inability to reason over externalities, from pond scum to the >>>> Trust <https://raised-by-wolves.fandom.com/wiki/Trust>. But to >>>> de-emphasize what people think of as "greed", I said "Trying to ensure you >>>> have enough money to live out your life in relative comfort is not greed. >>>> Greed is, after acquiring billions of dollars, you feel the need to acquire >>>> more billions of dollars." >>>> >>>> I found Patriotic Millionaires prior to that conversation. And it seems >>>> legit ... a set of outwardly greedy people who recognize limits to their >>>> greed ... a recognition that there's a spectrum of merit, some luck, some >>>> effort, some systemic infrastructure, etc. Overall, [m|b]illionaire >>>> philanthropy (and especially effective altruism) seem like jokes to me, >>>> very postmodern jokes. "Here, let me given you a billion dollars without >>>> fundamentally rewriting your genetic code." Pffft. Give anyone enough money >>>> and you'll corrupt them fundamentally, often against their will. >>>> Philanthropists know this. Effective Altruism is an oxymoron. You can't >>>> both be coercive and altruistic at the same time. >8^D >>>> >>>> Anyway, I'd welcome any opinion on Patriotic Millionaires. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> glen >>>> When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. >>>> >>>> >>>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- >>>> - . >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> archives: >>>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - >>> . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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