In absence of a common set of values to reason from – ideology – there is no basis for anything other than might makes right.
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 6:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe? The point is that the US should strictly keep its nose within its own boundaries and not export its ideologies globally, eg. as in the Reagan doctrine. For instance, if the India Govt wants to directly buy defensive S-400 missiles from Russia in preference to US systems, what gives the USA the right to sanction either the Indian Govt or Indian companies who are totally unconnected to the deal ? How dare US Senators like Ted Cruz and Jeanne Shaheen publicly insult India's neutral votes on the Ukraine issue in the UN by implying India does not support democracy ? What business is it of theirs ? Or for that matter, why does an Assistant Secretary of State Donald Lu depict India as a running dog of US Interests by publicly stating that every US armament sold to India is one less for the US to deploy itself against China. Doesn't he know that India is a founding member of BRICS along with China and Russia ? https://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/us-policy-towards-india030222 On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 4:34 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: There are articles like this one https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/02/civilised-european-look-like-us-racist-coverage-ukraine One might deduce from this that Anglo-Saxon imperialist media doesn’t really care about countries having non-Anglo-Saxon civilian populations destroyed by weapons of mass destruction. I would say there has been a cloud of rage over 9/11 that only recently started to clear. Anything in that cloud, like the entire middle east, could be considered hell. Or like Las Vegas, what happens in Mosul stays in Mosul. There were some reporters that would cover it, but overall, there were few in the U.S. that really cared what happened. (And really, who *ever* thinks about Russia? Who is this nut-job?) There was violence that was “needed” (most recently with ISIS) and we were by in large readily willing to not look at it. Obama remarked on it with remarkable detachment. The Russians took advantage of this. Yes, it is ugly that there is this contrast, but that doesn’t mean they should get away with it this time. There were voices calling for intervention at the time. One might also say that morphing of Anglo-Saxon imperialism toward a principled liberal democracy is fake and insincere. That seems to be Putin’s position. But assuming this is all true, and all there is asserting power, then there is nothing left to talk about. Send out the aircraft carriers. From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 2:08 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] what's the view from Europe? Both authors of the article are affiliated to the notoriously imperialistic Chatham House think tank. On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:19 PM glen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well, for the wartime profiteers amongst us: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/07/tech-community-rallied-ukraine-cyber-defence-eu-nato "Cyber" was already everywhere, nauseously so. But now it'll be even worse. On 3/7/22 09:45, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > It’s great for the military industrial complex in the U.S. and in Europe. > Close to home in New Mexico: B61 revision 12s, yes, those will be in demand. -- glen When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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