The switchblades being sent sound like they work.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Switchblade
https://eurasiantimes.com/us-switchblade-drones-to-ukraine-to-crack-open-russian-defense/?amp and perhaps the Ukrainians do have some skill with the S-300s.. https://kyivindependent.com/national/ukraines-old-air-defense-proves-unexpectedly-effective-in-combat/ On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Sarbajit Roy <[email protected]> wrote: FYI, their low cost UAVs and drones use Raspberrry Pi processors on their own PCBs. On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 1:59 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Advanced tracking technology! Lol, in Russia that means it has an 80386? -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 1:17 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] and don’t miss this Ha! Could be fake, but: Ukrainian S-300s Gain First Ever Kills: Shoot Down Two NATO Aircraft Accidentally Over Romania - Reports https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainian-s-300s-gain-first-ever-confirmed-kill-shoot-down-two-nato-aircraft-accidentally-over-romania It's one thing to smuggle in weapons. It's another thing to have people there who know how to operate those weapons. On 3/16/22 12:16, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Glen writes: > > < NATO rejects the no-fly zone. But my guess is it's not because of > some Utilitarian sense of suffering. It's because war is only > profitable to a small slice of the industrial world. In some ways, > that's a good thing, I guess. It signals that we've moved away from > bombs and fire, toward money and "cyber"/info. To Alphabet, Meta, and > even Musk Enterprises, people are not only the means of production, > but also the product. It's stupid to destroy your merchandise. It's > smarter to keep them enslaved. It's akin to our move from broad > spectrum [pest|herb]icides toward *targeted* "management". Bombs and > fire are too coarse to preserve the status quo. Oligarchs like Musk > need the analog for GMOs and viruses ... hearts and minds of the > Metaverse denizens. > > > If Russia wants to make claims to administer Ukrainian territory, then NATO > can certainly do the same, especially since they are being begged to do so. > A no-fly zone keeps being treated as a term of art. > It could just be a claim by NATO over some subset of the territory. > Responses to this proposal -- one I heard this morning from Richard Haas -- > are dismissive without explanation. He claimed that Russia's radar systems > would have to be taken out. I don't see why that would be necessary. It > would take the courage to put pilots and vehicles at risk: Invite Russia to > shoot at NATO aircraft. Then as soon as the Russians attack a NATO security > escort or shoot down a plane, punishment can be proportional. After all, > war is politics by other means -- appealing the folks in Russia and in > Putin's orbit that the military operation has become too dangerous. > Meanwhile, once there is a territory that is relatively safe, then NATO can > move more freely to relocate refugees and to deploy defensive and offensive > weapons systems. In a grinding war, it could make sense to start training > Ukrainians on US weapons systems. > > As an extreme example to show the absurdity of these norms, the smuggling-in > of weapons could include nuclear warheads. So, in comparison, some planes > flying around are not nearly as escalatory. > > And the media coverage of the military side of this isn't very penetrating. > This morning McFaul said that S-300s were now available to the Ukrainians. > Ok, that's somewhat significant. No one is asking about surface-to-surface > missiles. Perhaps the administration and the Pentagon (and Zelensky's > government) are just keeping the messaging light with the no-fly zone talk so > that they have cover to deploy more diverse weapons? I suspect it is not so > Machiavellian, and the plea for a no-fly zone is simply desperation. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . 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