These are simply protocols, and protocols can evolve.  Ethereum is in the 
process of  (fundamentally) changing from Proof Of Work to Proof Of Stake.  
Democratic policy changes have also been made to the money supply as well.   
Making government imposed policy changes manifest as precise public code 
changes seems like a good thing.  No ambiguity..  
https://blog.coinbase.com/the-technical-benefits-of-eip-1559-c41bb85f5924

On Mar 24, 2022, at 7:20 PM, David Eric Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

 The Pod Save America guys did an interview with Elizabeth Warren, which 
crossed over into the creation of a federal digital currency, which I didn’t 
even know was A Thing at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzP2Ax2cHQ

While digital cash was an application of cryptography, which I read about 
through Bruce Schneier, long before I ever went to SFI or met Martin Shubik or 
Duncan Foley or any of the others, the whole blockchain thing broke while I was 
there, and inevitably our way of talking about it got drafted into our 
conventions at the time.

At least as first advertised, the whole point for bitcoin was to create digital 
gold — a commodity whose scarcity would be existential and reliable, and thus 
anchor its definition as a medium of exchange.  But Shubik’s whole thing was 
that gold was a terrible money, precisely because its supply wasn’t variable, 
whereas the demands for money under stable prices vary all the time.  If one 
can’t separate the two, then every change in demand for 
quantity-in-circulaation destabilizes the price system, impairing its service 
as any meaningful “store of value".  Shubik sent me to read the old classic 
Lombard Street to understand that this had already been recognized as the 
reason the invention of fractional-reserve banking would inevitably take over 
from the Real Bills Doctrine of the mercantilist era:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/Lombard-Street-Revised-Updated-Charter/dp/1907347070

The whole problem of making a money system usable, even _absent_ any problems 
that it was also being used for a speculative horserace, is having a reliable 
set of algorithms to vary its supply so as to maintain price system stability 
against purely monetary shocks, while allowing price systems to vary as 
reflections of changes in “real” relative economic valuations for underlying 
goods, services, or risks.  The tools for that were what Shubik used to refer 
to as a collection of “near-monies” (“commercial paper” and the like), and more 
familiar credit instruments.  My negligent not-really-understanding was that a 
digital gold would become s real tool of service when it was embedded in a 
fairly elaborate economic system capable of separating out the different 
streams of demand from price-system structure.

In the EW interview, she talks (naturally, given her expertise) about the need 
for regulation against either exclusionary or predatory practices, and I guess 
it is fine that that must be the zeroth-order start.  But I have never heard it 
come up, in the economic popular press or gab-o-sphere, that a control system 
over supply and exchange across monies and credits is equally essential, and 
understood perhaps more at a craft level than with any real theory.  If a 
federal digital currency were just added to the existing economy alongside all 
the rest that is there, maybe none of that other stuff needs to be invented.  
There just need to be sufficiently liquid exchange markets.  If one wanted to 
take blockchain currencies seriously as wholly independent monies, however, it 
seems all the other stuff would need to be created, and we would be back to 
seeing a need for the services of a state to an economy.

Eric



On Mar 25, 2022, at 6:58 AM, Marcus Daniels 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

e.g. one invests via Coinbase and gives them a picture of a passport, in order 
to register a bank -- a source for USD exchange -- then the high order rules 
related to detection of money laundering impinge on that investment.    I'm so 
crippled by particulars.

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On 
Behalf Of ? glen
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 2:53 PM
To: FriAM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [FRIAM] rhizo narratology

I am whipped into a state of enthusiasm by that phrase! 8^)

https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fblog.keithwhamon.net%2f2022%2f03%2frhizo-narratology-decentralized.html%3fm%3d1&c=E,1,yiRJUEshE3lYYIU1-nX1ml8C-lMv6taJcstvkaJNcpxtTW9H8vVhqQIB7XrhW24T3sf3xas0kA472aGj9WJv0yqdQg2ezW45wEd3r3hoX0akyid0V_4_OVj3kIU,&typo=1

But it raises an issue I've had with distributed ledgers (ala cryptocurrencies) 
for awhile. When fanbois use the word "decentralized", it smacks of (technical) 
bullshit. Sure, the ledger may be decentralized. But the only thing that makes 
the token decentralized is the market wherein I can exchange one token for 
another. That raises (yes I know I'm a broken record) the idea that higher 
order objects impinge, top-down, on their lower order constituents.

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