Re: [FRIAM] These women might be able to tolerate Friam

Steve Smith Tue, 07 Jun 2022 08:55:12 -0700

I would also (I probably already said this) be interested in other's participation/reactions/review. I am unable to do what you (DaveW) suggest and avoid all critical reading, but I do try to do it in the same way I (try to) meditate. I try to *note* my judgements of what I'm reading, put a pin in the judgements, and read forward with the hope that either what is rankling me will resolve in further text, or that I will obtain a new perspective. Although I feel like I've been (like the Red Queen) able to think many impossible thoughts before Breakfast or (like Glen) allow a society of homunculii to churn about in the background as I read, I do find it hard to be as objective and open as I think I would like to be. At least the parallax offered by others alternative *analysis* of things like this helps me to (re) think differently than my experience/nature leads me to.


On 6/6/22 9:35 PM, Prof David West wrote:

The Metaphysical Animals book is, IMO, a pretty dry biography that removes all the passion and the ardor of both the time period and the philosophical arguments. The actual ideas advanced by the four women (and colleagues) are, again IMO, very important and I find them compelling: on their face and because of congruence with the metaphysics of mysticism (Alchemy to Taoism with heavy doses of Buddhism) of which I am so fond.
I did find their rebuttal of Ayers reminiscent of arguments I have made to Nick re: Pierce. That "truth" is what we eventually agree upon is possible only to the extent you are willing to rig the conversation to exclude both 'evidence' and 'advocacy' of contrary positions. Same notion I posed to Jochem—if you assume physicality and purposely exclude any data points that are not reducible to physical things—then you are simply creating a metaphysical tautology.
On another note: those of you that are reading Graeber's /Dawn of Everything/, it would be fun to have a discussion and share reactions. I found it fascinating. My habit is to absorb, in toto, the data and the arguments, to 'Grok' the totality of the book first and only then apply my critical and analytical faculties to see what lasts. I know most of you read critically from the get-go, and so I would value your input.
Tor those of you not ready to commit to a 500 page tome, /Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology,/ will provide a kind of overarching thesis statement for /Dawn/.
davew


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, at 10:14 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
I hope FRIAM is not dead yet. It always inspires me. The recent discussion with Nick for instance inspired me to write this short blog post today
https://blog.cas-group.net/2022/06/the-strange-phenomenon-of-consciousness/

-J.


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