closest technological metaphor I have encountered is holographic universe and mind as holographic 'interpreter/reader', which could be computationally simulated, I suppose.
davew On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Dave writes: > > < If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) > naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival > enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that > we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism > and expose the Real Reality. > > > The mind may be configured to be a 5G transceiver or CAT scan? > > Marcus > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Prof David West > <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 6:16 PM > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dystopian vision(s) > > If you assume, or believe, that the mind (body-brain-embodied mind-Atman) > naturally processes 100% of the inputs and assume/believe that a survival > enhancing mechanism filters that stream to create the illusionary subset that > we call Reality, then entheogens work to dismantle the filtering mechanism > and expose the Real Reality. > > Missing in my first post was a hidden premise, that any augmentations > (Neuralink, et. al.) are almost certainly based on whatever we think we > understand of the filtering mechanism, not the Mind, and therefore would > augment/enhance that mechanism and therefore lead to results opposite of what > is desired. > > The missing premise is pretty much conjecture on my part but is grounded in > an advanced, but not expert, understanding of AI and neural network > technologies; so it should be taken with a tablespoon (thousands of grains) > of salt. > > davew > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, at 11:22 AM, glen wrote: > > Opposite of what? I don't understand how augmentation is the opposite > > of the entheogens (drugs or meditation). Are you saying that, e.g. the > > Mojo Lens or Neuralink further restrict, whereas the entheogens lessen > > the restriction? > > > > If so, then my guess is you could do the same sort of restriction > > modulation with any augmentation device. E.g. if there are 1 billion > > possible data feeds you could receive, decreasing them is like an > > undrugged person self-censoring and such, then increasing them is like > > taking a entheogen ... that is, assuming Church-Turing. > > > > If we reject C-T, then it seems reasonable to argue that the body > > "computes" something that any computer-based augmentation would > > restrict, by definition, making it impossible to expand beyond what the > > augment provides. Computer-based augmentaiton would provide a hard > > limit ... an unavoidable abstraction/subset of reality. > > > > On 8/15/22 19:04, Prof David West wrote: > >> The hallucino-philia (and Buddhist epistemologists) would argue that our > >> brains (minds) already fully grasp / cognize / perceive our physical > >> reality. But, for survival purposes, it self-censors and presents our > >> consciousness/awareness/attention with a small abstract subset of that > >> reality—an illusion. > >> > >> Drugs and meditation are 'subtractive' in that they dismantle the > >> abstraction/reduction apparatus that generates the illusion hiding our > >> 'full-grasping'. > >> > >> If such a belief were "true" then "augmenting our brains" would be the > >> exact opposite, and exceedingly harmful, approach ... > >> > >> ... unless, the augmentation was a permanent [lsd | psylocibin | > >> mescaline] drip. > >> > >> * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > > > -- > > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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