Well written, Steve. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 28, 2022, 8:03 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Pandora's cats are out of the bag and nothing will put them back. I'm > not religious but the whole "original sin" thing is a good allegory for how > hard (impossible) it is to go backwards... even when that would be the > very best thing to do (were it possible). There is no "undo" button... > entropy does increase... time does march forward, and "the only way out is > through". I can't even begin to guess what it would look like for > humanity to collectively evolve (I suppose societally, not > genetically/individually) to the point that we really can put down > obviously dead-end ideations like "Mutual Assured Destruction" across the > board. > > Post Apocalyptic fiction suggests that the only remedy is an > Atlantean-class collapse and "great forgetting" of the shite we know about > being horribly cruel and destructive to one another (and by extension or > vice-versa, the planet/universe?). I *do* think that there is an > "enlightened self-interest* path that is armatured around an expanding > sense of "self" as well as "interest" AND "enlightenment", but the > specifics are an "exercise for the student (as a collective). I doubt we > are going to sort this in my lifetime and maybe not in my grandchildren's, > but that is no reason *not* to try to understand what that would look like > and seek it. > > 993,765 steps forward and a similar number back? Progress is incremental > until it isn't. Aphorisms 'R US. > On 8/28/22 7:17 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > > Huh? shame...no just curious. > I was just asking how and why agreeing not use nukes was agreed on not to > go there. In my head I was thinking; huh, wait a second. Didn't this get > adressed several decades ago for the NPT( Nuclear non > prolification Treaty?). > Is russia and india posturing to agree that nukes are just bad? > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:09 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> How do you propose dissuading countries from building these weapons? >> Shaming them on mailing lists? >> >> On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html >> >> Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different >> interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt) >> Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and >> Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do >> clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free >> food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being >> dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we >> do have... >> so um why is this a thing? >> >> So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new nuclear ban >> and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it? is >> Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And is >> this just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything >> that can move those things? they're not exactly light. >> >> Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD >> scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered in his sleep >> KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still >> make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to >> live past the next few years. >> -ME for one >> >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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