The related *Causal Markov (CM) condition* states that, conditional on the set of all its direct causes, a node is independent of all variables which are not effects or direct causes of that node
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Sep 8, 2022, 10:04 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > “Noise” may have some quantitative properties but nothing that reveals > ultimate causality without at least factoring all unseen events from the > Big Bang onward. Signal to noise is about being able to discriminate > something you want from something you don’t. Further, if you wanted to > predict the noise part, it just wouldn’t be possible. There are many > different signals to consider that have differing relevance to different > observers, and they to can be easier or harder to objectively discriminate > from noise too. > > > On Sep 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Prof David West <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > It seems, to me, that several conversations here—AI, hallucinogens, > consciousness, participant observation, and epistemology—have a common > aspect: a body of "data" and disagreement over which subset should be > attended to (Signal) and that which is irrelevant (Noise). > > > > Arguments for sorting/categorization would include: lack of a Peircian > convergence/consensus; inability to propose proper experiments; anecdotal > versus systematic collection; an absolute conviction that everything is > algorithmic and, even if the algorithm has yet to be discerned, it, > ultimately, must be; etc.. > > > > I often feel as if my positions on these various topics reduces, in some > sense, to a conviction that there is overlooked Signal in everyone else's > Noise; even to the point of believing the Noise IS the Signal. > > > > Is this in any way a "fair' or "reasonable" analysis? > > > > davew > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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