Here's a fun speculative question to: how different would the computing landscape look now: if apple dug clones, and decided they were worth it? and what if BeOS did become apples new OS?--I feel like I aged myself.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 8:50 AM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> wrote: > IIRC very badly as was MacOS was held back by...games of all things. But > IIRC Adobe was quickly onto apples because picky people liked how it > handled colours. That is compared to Windows 3.1 and 94(?) lol and yes Dad > is a hero. LOL and yes I am biased. > Pagemaker ? wowsa that's a name from the past! LOL. > The reason why games didn't help Apples (then) uncertain future, as well > was because kids (teens) was who pestered John, Chade, Kyle, or Karen to > get a new computer. Apple didn't have that for a long time, not allowing > clones up to a 2 year golden renaissance years later also hurt them. BeOS > at the time was more macos then macos.. So you had a glorified printer and > webpage publisher that'd cost 5-7k+. Compare that to the PC world a 900$ pc > was keeping pace with apple, steve jobs and his ego. That when Chad was > done with homework, or kyle done writing a report. They might sign into a > BBS to play bolo, or a MUD. > Apple had to sell the UI and UX. > > Sufficed to say Dad was up all night (almost literally). cursing at > "the yapping dogs" and yelling "***** ing hell steve[the steve jobs kind] > what now!, oh would you like me to pull a rabbit out of my **** while I'm > at it, we need to give it a ipadress so it's adressable by postscript!" . > But him, Steve Caserous eta all did it! and now the now speech isfamous > speech. And Dad doesn't think he's a good programmer still. lol. Eh well > not all heroes were capes, He's a Hero IMO. > Get him to tell you about the time he proved you as long as a device has > some sense of network addressing, you can get it to do almost anything, > including drive monitors. Or when him and Ben Stalts pranked SkunkWorks > Sun with upside down displays using nothing more than NeWS's postscript, > scripting code. > > > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 4:54 PM Stephen Guerin < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 11:30 AM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My copy of Glenn Reid's 1990 Thinking in PostScript >>> <https://w3-o.cs.hm.edu/users/ruckert/public_html/compiler/ThinkingInPostScript.pdf> >>> sat on my shelf for two decades singing a siren song that wasn't ever quite >>> strong enough for me to give it my full attention for the few weeks/months >>> I believe it deserved. >>> >>> Someday (if humanity survives another century, or interstellar visitors >>> bother to crack our rusty harddrives) this will all be as much fun as the >>> vestigal (aka "junk") DNA we started finding when we started ubiquitous >>> DNA/RNA sequencing. It must all be "good for something"? Right? Clearly >>> was at one time! >>> >>> Fascinating that anyone (besides me) is even discussing such things 30 >>> years later: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28115946 >>> >> >> 40 years earlier: From the same site, here's the first public demo of the >> Mac in Boston in 1984. with Steve Jobs and the full Mac team onstage. I >> think Owen is the hero of the group, though I'm biased :-) >> >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29295116 >> >> >> From that site: >> He called out Owen Densmore for writing the printing routines at 10m45s: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQJ-VnJ2uc&t=10m45s >> >> And Owen answered a question about printing at 15m: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqQJ-VnJ2uc&t=15m >> >> Owen is a brilliant programmer and "User Interface Flower Child", who led >> the "Print Shop" group at Apple that created the printing architecture for >> Apple's Lisa and Macintosh hardware, working closely with John Warnock and >> other Adobe engineers on the LaserWriter. >> >> >> Check out Steve Job's MIT Sloan Business school when he was at NEXT >> referencing the importance of Owen's work that became desktop publishing on >> Apple which was the Trojan Horse that launched Apple into mainstream >> corporate: >> >> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-talks-leaving-apple-lessons-in-management-1992-mit-lecture-video-2018-5 >> >> On the Macintosh's killer app and how he didn't see it coming (10:30): >> "We never anticipated desktop publishing when we created the Mac. Sounds >> funny because that turned out to be the Mac's compelling advantage, the >> thing it did, not 1.5 or 2 times better than everything else, but 4, 5 >> times better than anything else, where you had to had one." >> >> >> "We anticipated bitmap displays and laser printers but we never thought >> about Pagemaker, that whole industry really coming down on the desktop. >> Maybe we weren't smart enough. But we were smart enough to see it happen >> 9-12 months later. And we changed our entire marketing and business >> strategy to focus on desktop publishing, and it became the Trojan Horse >> that finally got the Mac into corporate America. >> >> >> >> >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >
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