On 11/18/22 12:03 PM, glen wrote:
Took me a minute to find it. But I previously mentioned this re: Sapiens:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/07/the-dangerous-populist-science-of-yuval-noah-harari
Thanks, this was interesting...

I'd love to eavesdrop on a conversation between people who've read Harari's work. But I doubt I'll read it.

I don't find Harari particularly worse as a *populist* historian than most any other *populist* history/science/technology/culture writer I've read.   I recently read Graeber/Wengrow's "Dawn of Everything" as well and before that Scott's "Against the Grain" and "The Art of not being Governed" which all cover similar territory with differing perspectives.

In fact Graeber/Wengrow seem to take acute exception to some of Scott's premises/judgements about the role of becoming agricultural.   Harari seems to take a somewhat middle road, supporting Scott's idea that shifting from being Foragers to Farmers was not entirely an upgrade to lifestyle and in many ways was the opposite.  He made a point I didn't hear in Scott which was that the overall evolutionary pressure toward sedentary agriculture was more about increasing the total productivity of a given region than improved security or nutrition for those participating.   Deliberate monocropping yields more calories per hectare than foraging but is also more prone to blight/drought/etc catastrophes which yield acute malnutrition/starvation for the (now larger) populations depending on them.   He also shared Scott's opinion that sedentary agriculture fostered warfare by creating an "attractive nuisance"... something worth stealing, and no way for those being attacked to withdraw from conflict without giving up things they acutely depended on...

I took minor issue with many of Harari's points and some of them are probably worth discussing if anyone else has read him and cares.   The main takeaway for me was reinforcement of the accelerating rate of technological (including political/administrative/etc.) changes and some of the implications for how *relevant* those arcs/combinatorics are for my lifetime and for the choices I am making for myself and those I care about (which ultimately includes "everybody" in some sense)...

- Steve


On 11/17/22 13:11, Steve Smith wrote:
Of course I did... doh!



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I think you intended to send this to the list?

On 11/17/22 09:13, Steve Smith wrote:

On 11/17/22 9:32 AM, glen wrote:
IDK, man. I feel like this is the same homogenizing force as Spotify, or influencers on Instagram, driving us all into the same gravity well. What I'd *like* ... what I've looked for and failed to find, are ways to invest "locally", to bet on strangers' enterprises, sure, but strangers that satisfy a locality predicate, local in space mostly, but perhaps local in ethos (like B corps or co-ops), or domain (not the useless "tech" or "life sciences" but something more refined).

Does your play with etoro suggest that's possible there?

I do envy your succinctness...   if I read this first I could probably have avoided the long-circuitious virtue-maunder in my last post.

Anyone else read(ing) Harari's _Sapiens_?   His description of how Homo Sapiens has gone from millions of Dunbar-sized tribes to one giant global "community" was fascinating...   The roughly 5 or 6 universes of 500 years ago even (Eurasia, Subsaharan Africa, Australia, Pacifica, MesoAmerica) which collapsed with the European Explo(it)ration eruption.

The inevitable pulse of differentiation/re-integration seems to be (one of the?) pump(s) of complex adaptive systems (evolution in all domains)?



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