Not Sheep, but human societies, have done similar things in our collective past.

David Graeber's book, the Origin of Everything, details the multiplicity of organizational and governmental forms and poses the question of how did we get stuck in the one we have now.

davew

It does seem not unlike technological lockin...  Their have been modes of mutual lockin over and over in history it seems...   and generally takes (took) an external perturbation to break the pattern.  Some of us imagined/hoped that the fall of the Soviet Union would lead to a significantly new global dynamic with a modest "peace dividend".    And the formalization/normalization European national-relations that lead to the EU was another phase transition.   The results were limited (modulo Ukraine/Brexit/GreekAusterity/???).

I think Dave is (West, Weingrow and Graeber, all) is suggesting something much more significant (even) than things like the shift from Czarist Russia to the Leninist Communist early Soviet Union.

Harari's _Sapiens_ describes a time before the age of (European) Exploration when there were a handful of separate Universes-of-Culture with presumably *NO* mutual contact (Afro-Eurasia, MesoAmerica, Andean South America,  Australia, Pacifica) on the scale of centuries if not millenia.    Meanwhile, there were myriad foraging/subsistence subcultures aware of and constrained by but not *driven* by these mega-cultures who were able to form up their own variations based on myriad factors.

It seems to me that our current lock-in is severely limited by the global transportation, communication (and therefore trade/military, etc) technological reality.

Those of us who might openly idealize (DaveW, GaryS, Self, ...) a rural semi-self-sufficient self-governing lifestyle are (should be) confronted with the lack of resource available for more than a tiny fraction of the current 8billion to live that way.   One of Harari's points about the "dawn of agriculture" is that the result was *not* an improved nutrition/security profile for any individual (just the opposite), but rather a denser (human) carrying capacity of a landscape.  It appears we have gone past that point everywhere but the most remote regions.   Even the hinterlands of NM, UT, and Ecuador where the three of us implicated by this paragraph live are likely well past being able to support a subsistence (much less foraging) lifestyle for even a fraction of those already parked here?   The scale of apocalypse required to reduce population to such a level is unthinkable by most measures... not to mention all the damn Zombies wandering around for decades until their bodies fully decompose?





On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
From hackernews
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-022-01769-8
corrected link from comments to
"Sheep flocks alternate their leader and achieve collective intelligence"
The secret sauce of american democracy.

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