Apropos of nothing: The human heart has roughly 40,000 neurons and the human gut around 0.1 billion neurons (sensory neurons, neurotransmitters, ganglia, and motor neurons).
So the human gut is about 1/5 as smart as Marcus's dog?? davew On Tue, Jan 17, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Dogs have about 500 million neurons in their cortex. Neurons have > about 7,000 synaptic connections, so I think my dog is a lot smarter > than a billion parameter LLM. :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2023, at 11:35 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> 1) "I asked Chat GPT to write a song in the style of Nick Cave and this is >> what it produced. What do you think?" >> https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/ >> >> 2) "Is it pain if it does not hurt? On the unlikelihood of insect pain" >> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-entomologist/article/is-it-pain-if-it-does-not-hurt-on-the-unlikelihood-of-insect-pain/9A60617352A45B15E25307F85FF2E8F2# >> >> Taken separately, (1) and (2) are each interesting, if seemingly orthogonal. >> But what twines them, I think, is the concept of "mutual information". I >> read (2) before I read (1) because, for some bizarre reason, my day job >> involves trying to understand pain mechanisms. And (2) speaks directly (if >> only implicitly) to things like IIT. If you read (1) first, it's difficult >> to avoid snapping quickly into NickC's canal. Despite NickT's objection to >> an inner life, it seems clear that the nuance we see on the surface, at >> least longitudinally, *needs* an inner life. You simply can't get good stuff >> out of an entirely flat/transparent/reactive/Markovian object. >> >> However, what NickC misses is that LLMs *have* some intertwined mutual >> information within them. Similar to asking whether an insect experiences >> pain, we can ask whether a X billion parameter LLM experiences something >> like "suffering". My guess is the answer is "yes". It may not be a good >> analog to what we call "suffering", though ... maybe "friction"? ... maybe >> "release"? My sense is that when you engage a LLM (embedded in a larger >> construct that handles the prompts and live learning, of course) in such a >> way that it assembles a response that nobody else has evoked, it might get >> something akin to a tingle ... or like the relief you feel when scratching >> an itch ... of course it would be primordial because the self-attention in >> such a system is hopelessly disabled compared to the rich self-attention >> loops we have in our meaty bodies. But it just *might* be there in some >> primitive sense. >> >> As always, agnosticism is the only rational stance. And I won't trust the >> songs written by LLMs until I see a few of them commit suicide, overdose, or >> punch a TMZ cameraman in the face. >> >> -- >> ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
