Seems like there should be an aspect of fine/coarse graining that covers this, I'll just twiddle the focus a bit and see if things make more sense.
-- rec -- On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 9:16 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ha! Yes. That's a doozy of a metaphor right there, something the > metaphor-addicted amongst us can sink their teeth into. > > On 7/12/23 17:56, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > It's hard for me not to draw some life lesson from this: > > > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.04836.pdf > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen > > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:48 AM > > To: friam@redfish.com > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] McCarthy v Peirce > > > > It's been mulled over. E.g. > > > > What can we know about that which we cannot even imagine? > > https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.03886v1 > > > > "Experience" seems, by definition, hopelessly fragile to context. If > your experience is similar to someone else's experience, then you're in a > cult. Get out! There's nothing more frightening than a commitment to a > common experience. What I'm looking for are things I can't imagine, not > things other people imagine, much less things other people are committed to. > > > > The idea came up recently that we might want to implement a virtual > reality (VR) interface to allow a user to walk a graph. My 1st reaction was > to draw the (false) distinction between the Eulerian vs Lagrangian point of > view (maybe translated to subjective experience: as if you're a point in > space versus as if you're a particle in space). VR seems, to me, hopelessly > Eulerian. Simultaneously (well, interleaved with), I was listening to a > podcast "analyzing" the Nick Cage movie "Color Out of Space". I read the > Lovecraft story within the last decade, though I can't remember when. But > the movie was pretty good. Anyway, when you, as a point in space, look out > at a sub-graph of which you're not a member, can't resist being > arrogant/tribal about the sub-graph of which you are a member ... a kind of > temporal/spatial bias. But if you look at the largest sub-graph you can > (every visible node and edge from you as a node, everything that you are > not, minimizing the sub-graph you're in) and watch that largest sub-graph > morph and flicker, you can't help but feel the Cosmic Horror. Lovecraft's > racism was rooted in his admission that the world is larger than whatever > Norms you may be habituated to. Reduce the diversity of the experiences and > you homogenize the world to its least common denominator. > > > > Monism, in this context, looks to me like Cosmic Horror. I'd prefer to > embrace my smallness and avoid pretending to Cosmic Homogeneity ... aka I > wouldn't want to be a member of any group that would have me as a member. > > > > On 7/10/23 10:37, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > >> In the following lines, the patient character expresses an opinion on > the central issue of Pragmat[ic]ism. > >> > >> /Patient:] …The world you live in is shored some up by a collection of > >> agreements.Is that something you think about?The hope is that the > >> truth of the world somehow lies in the common experience of it.Of > >> course the history of science and mathematics and even philosophy is a > >> good bit at odds with this notion.Innovation and discovery by > >> definition war against the common understanding.One should be > >> wary.What do you think? [pp 91-2]/ > >> > >> I am not going to comment.I just thought you might like to have the > quote to mull over. > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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