IDK. If by "discussion", you mean co-constructing reality, then I'd agree. But that would
contradict the dichotomy of explanatory vs. exploratory (perhaps even render the concept of
"mind" incoherent). There are machines that derive things from other machines. Some
machines are larger than other machines (https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.03886). Etc.
One of the intriguing situations I often find myself in is being presented with seemingly
batshit nonsense and wondering *where* it came from. If Marcus is right, then, for
example, the garbage spoken by Terrence Howard has a (or several) cause(s). Or if you're
a political animal, there are reasons someone might parrot Trumpian bullshit as if it's
true. In other words, their "high order" macros cannot be decoupled
(completely) from reality even though it sure seems decoupled from reality.
I.e. Marcus' rhetoric is an argument for the existence of God ... hedging
however much we need to on the definition of God.
On 6/14/24 09:49, steve smith wrote:
Marcus wrote:
The double slit experiment demonstrates what appears to be nondeterminism, but
that hasn't prevented development of an accurate model of the phenomena that
deterministic computers can simulate. I don't have to believe a deterministic
interpretation of the double slit experiment, but Occam's Razor encourages me
to. (I can't control the initial conditions of the universe.) What is the
point of discussions about things that cannot be modeled?
Some modeling is explanatory, other is exploratory. Modeling is a high-order mode of
"discussion".... building and testing hypotheses in an abstract space where (most?) human
minds are unable to rigorously keep track of all the details of the "discussion", but
instead defer to a mechanical device and process which manages all that for us in a manner we
believe we can understand (a given computational/simulation method and framework)?
These discussions belong in a church. They are not inquiry.
What is FriAM if not a church whose main sermons reflect various inquiries
built on top of the entire(many overlapping subsets actually) canon
math/science and for some philosophy, semiotics, linguistics?
On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:20 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote:
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