Marcus wrote:
Don't be born a chicken!

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/billions-of-chickens-ducks-and-pigs-are-slaughtered-for-meat-every-year

We are on our third crew of laying hens (in 20 years) as our own way to try to maintain some animal protein in our otherwise vegetarian diet while minimizing the intrinsic cruelty of agri-industrial  animal product production.   I don't know that we are far from Atwood's ChickieNobs and of course Pigoons (we will all need a new heart, liver, kidney sometime won't we?).

   
https://medium.com/culture-dysphoria/chickienobs-and-ecological-dignity-cdfcfec4d5eb

I do love me some good Atwoodian Dystopia!

We still consume about a quart of cow-cream and 1/2 lb of butter a week in our not-shade-grown on-free-trade Trader Joe's coffee and on our Stir Fried veg (grown in MX in the winter?), Ukrainian grain-bread toast?  We might raise a couple of pygmy goats for those products yet what would we do with the "boys" when fresh birthing is required every few years to keep the milk flowing?

Like all good first-worlders, we have avoided the reality of the "end of utility" with laying hens by passing them on to other chicken-free-rangers to either "put out to pasture" or "slaughter" on their preferred terms.   Our last handoff was to a young couple eager to become "homesteaders" who were from the first two graduating years of Antioch College (Ohio) reconstructed around a Permaculture Design Course pattern after a few years of downtime.   They were renting a property in Nambe with a large existing chicken coop and were happy to give our "girls" a few more years of egg production followed by a likely "processing into meat" end... which they understood to be part of the obligation that raising laying hens came with (that or the out-to-pasture I mentioned).   They "promised" that was their intention.

My first crew of eggers was 20ish years ago and ended after a year when I took a "change of station" in Berkeley.   We found a person in La Cienega who already had a couple dozen, willing to integrate our scant (2 of 12 died in youth) dozen into their existing laying flock.   I honestly don't know how they handled the "elderly chicken" problem.   I expect our current flock (just starting to lay) will become old-pets and we will suffer their demise-by-old-age as we do other pets...  but at least for a few years they will process low-grade nutrients (vegetation and insects) into high-grade (for us) nutrition as eggs.

Regarding Glen's article "challenging the 'paleo' diet narrative".   I'm sure their reports are generally accurate and in fact homo-this-n-that have been including significant plant sources into our diets for much longer than we might have suspected.  Our Gorilla cousins at several times our body mass and with significantly higher muscle tone live almost entirely on low-grade vegetation.    But the article presents this as if ~1M years of hominid development across a very wide range of ecosystems was monolithic?  There are still near subsistence cultures whose primary source of nourishment is animal protein (e.g. Aleuts,  Evenki/Ewenki/Sami)?

I'm a fan of the "myth of paleo" even though I'm mostly vegetarian.   I like the *idea* of living a feast/famine cycle and obtaining most of my nutrition from fairly primary/raw sources. Of course, my modern industrial embedding has me eating avocados grown on Mexican-Cartel owned farms and almonds grown in the central valley of California on river water diverted from the Colorado river basin.   <sigh>.

FWIW the Avocado tree I nurtured for years in my sunroom died last summer (neglect) after giving up only a few small stunted fruits in it's lifetime.  And the two "cold hardy" almonds I nurtured for several years in the yard finally produced but turned out to be a (strangely closely related) stone fruit (miniature yellow plums!).   This year WAS a great harvest of pinon in my area but being between two hip replacements couldn't be bothered to go out and "collect the bounty"...  market rate is $30/lb these days... I think Chinese pine nuts go for $10/lb shelled?

Hell and handbaskets?   Seems like it.   And I'm the one who needs to "get off the lawn!" all over the world, but I'm not that good at it.    I live in my gated community (fence to be payed for by MX of course) and invite a few folks inside to cut my firewood and clean my (golden) toilets, but other than that, I'd like them to stay in their place in the (increasingly) inhospitable regions we've helped create for them (deforested, desertificatied, monocropped, urban-blighted, climate-modified)...

And yesterday we celebrated "Jan 6" while reflecting on the life and times of Jimmy Carter who I helped to oust with my first vote because... "he was a snowflake"!

Helps me ?forgive? all the young tech-bros who helped sweep the Trumpster Fire back into the Whitehouse.   I invited the Reagan-Bush dynasty into my world (for decades) that way, who knows what this next decade or two will look like (probably punctuated by the singularity?) if I live that long.


 - Steve (aka Helen Handbaskets)



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Archaeological study challenges 'paleo' diet narrative of ancient 
hunter–gatherershttps://phys.org/news/2025-01-archaeological-paleo-diet-narrative-ancient.html

Renee' convinced me to eat fried chicken the other night. ... Well, OK. She just put it 
in front of me and my omnivorous nature took over. Fine. It's fine. Everything's fine. 
But it reminded me of the fitness influencers and their obsession with chicken and [ahem] 
"protein". Then I noticed the notorious non-sequitur science communicator 
Andrew Huberman is now platforming notorious motivated-reasoning through evolutionary 
psychology guru Jordan Peterson. Ugh. And Jan 6 is now a holiday celebrating those morons 
who broke into the Capitol. Am I just old? Or is the world actually going to hell in a 
handbasket? Get off my lawn!

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