Your second link is a good read, Glen, and Olberding looks a bit interesting from her homepage.
In particular, her concern with courtesy as a functional and intentionally-maintained public good, https://philpeople.org/profiles/amy-olberding?app=%22%3EAna Amy Olberding (University of Oklahoma) philpeople.org and her connection of it as one of the pillars of Confucianism, is one I have wanted to see made in scholarly work for a while. Thanks for these, Eric > On Mar 18, 2025, at 9:53, glen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Irony is dead. That some of us literally put money into Sam Altman's bank > account by generating completely useless cartoons lamely attempting to > criticize Altman's friend Trump [⛤] is ... what? ... what is that? Hypocrisy? > Stupidity? Suicide? > > I don't have the words. [⛧] It's tantamount to the Leopards Ate My Face > (LAMF) meme. The latest is of course liberals snacking on scenes of Trump > voters regretting their vote (Vets losing their jobs, wives being deported, > threats to SSA, etc.). But the source of the meme is as old as time. People > don't vote in their best interests, with their dollar or at the ballot box. > And people who use GPT to generate political cartoons from which the target > of the cartoons profit is canonical. > > I suppose you just can't stop people from shooting themselves in the foot. > C'est la vie. > > > [⛤] > https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-hopes-donald-trump-build-new-ai-infrastructure-2025-1 > > [⛧] For those of us who try to find words wherever we can, this may be > interesting: > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2famysshadowbook.blogspot.com%2f2025%2f03%2fary-word.html&c=E,1,uf1PjNhQGYXt6eApisb5X8V3pACkTw2342Td_Sy3RRgsO3N7CpoBTd9582L_-lZ5y2WPmFC90kbBH_FAb8qfz7fXREyIo6K5khWzn2D7&typo=1 > > On 3/17/25 5:30 PM, steve smith wrote: >> Nick: >> As you may know already, we are peas in a pod. I remind everyone here >> gently from time to time in various ways to use their <delete> keys with my >> missives of questionable merit. >> As I age (grow more wise, more complex, more ??) I recognize that my >> ideations (too much encouraged/supplemented these days by my bar friend GPT) >> are perhaps "all over the place" relative to other's sensibilities. >> When I saw your (and George's) cartoon, I had a sense of "I guess I had to >> be there", which is why I offered you my parsing.... even though we all know >> that "a joke should never be explained"... >> I also know (from bits of feedback from various quarters) that fractions of >> my nonsense are parsed and appreciated but not (publicly) acknowledged. I >> think you should continue (as you do) to share what you might, as you >> must... even to deafening silence? >> :Steve >>> Steve, and others, >>> >>> Thanks for taking the meme idea seriously for a moment. I have these >>> moments of giddiness in which an idea just seems so good that the world >>> must have it. I actually imagined that my inbox would be full of copies >>> of my own cartoon sent to me by people who did not know its source. Crazy >>> as a loon, I know it, but they are wonderful moments, and I could not write >>> [live?] without them. Narcissism Unbounded. Thanks for playing along. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 3:18 PM steve smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It seems to me they haven’t this through so good. Thousands of NIH, >>>> NSF, and DOE funded scientists out on the international market. Add to >>>> that reduced regulation on advanced scientific equipment and services. >>>> Augment with a general sense of doom and self-interest and alienation from >>>> their country of origin. Sounds like a recipe for foreign-based >>>> companies to scoop them up, if not other governments. I won’t suggest >>>> particulars, but I think it is obvious how this could result in bad >>>> outcomes. >>>> >>> My molecular biologist daughter is in the breach/sights of this >>> nonsense. She dedicated her career to 3rd-world focused virology (flavi >>> like West Nile, Dingue, Zika) and is now faced with the triple-whammy of >>> reduced funding/interest in third-world problems, reduced *health* funding, >>> and the spirit that suggests as a woman in science she might somehow have >>> gotten her funding through DEI biases. She is not a candidate for >>> "defecting" to China or Russia in this context but has been made crazy by >>> watching her mid-career colleagues defect from academic research to >>> profit-focused big pharma. She got pulled off Flavi's to chase Coronas >>> for a year or more because her institution had more funding than they >>> could spend and her funding was a little more fungible... I think she >>> can (probably) hang in there through the current storm (years) but not >>> clear and it might actually be better for her (career) to move to a >>> European Institution (though I don't know if that is >>> even possible given what EricS suggested about demand/supply. >>> >>> After the fall of the Soviet Union, I participated in a brief project >>> reviewing US State Dept proposals by (former) Soviet scientists seeking an >>> alternative to becomeing rogue nuclear scientists for who knows? 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