On 5/4/25 5:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Mechanically, Grok seems kind of buggy to me. One thing that might be happening is that it has hit a run time limit for the account's subscription (or the absence of one) and fails to get that message back to the user because somewhere in its internal conversation it was blocked.I do see Mr. Musk bragging about how good Grok is at “over eighteen” topics. Well, that’s one way to stand out, I suppose.Marcus Claude Sonnet 3.7 with Extend Thinking ---- There's no contradiction in Quine's position when we examine it carefully. What appears paradoxical actually reveals his nuanced understanding of how language functions in scientific inquiry. Quine distinguishes between two contexts: In established scientific domains, conflating metaphor with fact is dangerous because it can lead to category errors and conceptual confusion. Here, precision matters.At the "fringes" of science-where we encounter novel phenomena or unexploredterritories-metaphor becomes indispensable precisely because literal language hasn't yet been developed for these domains.The key insight is that metaphors serve as temporary scaffolding. They helpscientists conceptualize unfamiliar territory and develop initial hypotheses. However, as understanding advances, these metaphors should either be refined into more precise literal descriptions or explicitly recognized as metaphorical. This view aligns with Quine's naturalism and empiricism. He acknowledges that all language, including scientific language, begins with the metaphorical extension of familiar terms to new domains. The crucial point is that we remain conscious of when we're using metaphor and don't mistake the map for the territory. Rather than contradicting himself, Quine is highlighting the tensioninherent in scientific language-we need metaphors to advance knowledge whilesimultaneously maintaining vigilance against their limitations. Gemini Advanced 2.5 Pro: ---- (attached) -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2025 3:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRIAM] Just broke grok3Query: Quine warns against conflating metaphor and fact but also states thatmetaphor is essential at the fringes of science. Is there a contradiction here? 30 minutes, still no response. Davew .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam <https://bit.ly/virtualfriam>to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com>FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/>archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoomhttps://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIChttp://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru presenthttps://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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