I've already given my answer to the question: never. Human effort is different from
computational effort. Human intelligence is intertwined with machine intelligence and
vice versa. It's a category error to ask when machines will "surpass" (or
whatever word you choose) humans in XYZ activity. The right question to ask is how will
any given machine change humans? And the corollary how will humans change the machines?
Hammers are better at blunt impact than the human using the hammer. But that
wasn't always true. Hammering with a limestone rock was arguably no better than
hammering with one's fist.
But, the hammer is a human tool. Currently, the variety of AI tools are still
human tools. The discussion we're actually having is if (or when) humans will
become the AIs' tools. Ecologically, even that question is silly. Are the
microbes in my gut *my* tools? Are we the tools of Sars-COV-2? These are mostly
stupid questions.
Asking when AI will surpass humans at activity XYZ is a similar question. It preemptively
registers the categories. If you find an AI tool that does something better than *you* do
that thing, then *change* what you do ... fold yourself into the control manifold of the
tool. That's what we did ... It's what our children have done ... It's what their
children's children will do. ("Our" being general, here. I have no children,
thank Yog.)
On 5/20/25 10:38 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:
This naturally leads to the million-dollar question: if — and if so, when — AI
will surpass the very best humans across all scientific domains. Sam Altman
seems to suggest that we may soon be able to rent access to a PhD-level AI for
as little as $10,000 to $20,000. Although that will obviously be a
game-changer, I would still make the bar higher than that. I'm struggling a bit
to define this properly, so although it's not a definition, for now I'll stick
to I'll know it when I see it.
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