Glen, I hope to god I have never hedged concerning the location of things that are inside. They are literally inside the organism, the skull, the skin, the steel box. It does get a little more complicated with George.
But please, everybody, more on scale and entropy. Nick On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:22 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, you're right. Scale is merely one parameter by which the domain can > be shifted. The only problem is that "domain" is a pretty abstract concept. > So choosing a concrete example (like scale) helps move the discussion along > without getting too caught up in the generalization. This bears directly on > the hedging Nick shows with "internal states" and I suspect lingers with > the word "hidden". Why some thing/process/state/behavior is hidden > shouldn't get in the way of recognizing that it's hidden. It can be hidden > by the perspective (I can't see that far) or by definition ("There are many > like it, but this one is mine.") or standard control theory unreachability > or the complexity of the gen-phen map or whatever. And too much talk of the > abstraction (domain) allows the conversation to blossom in too many > ambiguous directions. But once the particular examples are well-handled, > the abstraction is necessary in order to make the full point (a kind of > holographic principle). > > On 5/12/20 9:58 AM, Jon Zingale wrote: > > but where Glen refers > > to /scale/ I would speak of /domain of definition/. That a shift in > > domain happens to be size, rather than some other contextual > > specification, may not be what we want. If this isn't the case > > Glen, please let me know. > > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... > .... . ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > -- Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology Clark University nthomp...@clarku.edu https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson
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