OK. I've added this clarification to the corpus. Claude suggested adding Anil Seth and
Karl Friston. At first, i doubted including Friston explicitly because Seth builds upon
Friston's stuff. But since we're talking about *any* domain where metaphor would need a
more formal treatment, maybe it's best to include Friston whose clique of intellectual
descendants seem a bit cavalier in their application of "free energy". 8^D
Forgive me if I don't purposefully include introspective work that's not obviously
biological. Were we to design and hold some obscene conference in, say, Orlando,
those types can have their own wing of the conference center. But I won't spend
much time there. >8^D
On 7/23/25 1:29 PM, Santafe wrote:
On Jul 22, 2025, at 0:23, glen <[email protected]> wrote:
I wanted to reply to this days ago, in one tiny point,
• the brain as a sensory organ: current activity = streaming in through the
senses
• a resonance from current activity to a counterfactual active role
I would not have equated current activity with reception and response to
sensory input streams. Doing so would be a reversion to the very old “passive”
conception of perception, which I think has now long been corrected with the
notion that perception is active, interrogative, and constructive.
The latter, mainly, argues for something that both to me and in common-language
usage seems obvious, but that I suspect strict behaviorists would want to deny
(if only to see if they could, lawyer-like, defend such a position): that
mental activity has its own autonomous streams, whether ongoing synthesis and
following of “inner narrative” (the thing the meditators want to shut off
somehow), or just maintaining whatever internal sense of integration and
identity-centeredness a current state of mind has. That state is one of the
other inputs, to the active engagement with sensory inputs that constitutes a
lot of perception (e.g. building the visual field, or selecting voices to
attend to in a conversation).
Somebody, some years ago, gave me some explanatory book on Vedic categories of
things related to cognition and consciousness, I think because he was annoyed
at my constant complaining and hoped that this would quiet me down. So I
dutifully read it. I was struck that it was sent to me, to show me that there
was substance to this “truth that dispenses with all philosophy and concepts”,
and I read it as a very elaborate philosophical system and conceptual typology.
Anyway, the reason I mention it (and I can’t remember the title of the book
now, to link here), is that they say that system considers the internal
mind-state or sequence to be just-another of the senses, peer to and parallel
to the standard-five input streams (sight, sound, touch, taste/smell,
proprioception). Since, for each of the standard senses, they want to go on
with an object/subject/interaction decomposition into terms, they try to build
out a comparable decomposition when arguing that internal thought-states are
just a version of senses. (Matrices seem to be very important to
system-building philosophers, across times and cultures.)
Don’t want to endorse or reject somebody’s particular description of some other
group’s large philosophical system, for which I cannot speak from any knowledge
of my own, but I did find that an interesting bit of evidence, that a system
that had had to organically evolve and become accepted, had chosen this way to
handle the autonomy of inner life from immediate-passive reaction to
sense-delivered events.
Eric
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