Yep. It's a natural extension of the vampire lover trope (or zombies or werewolves or
Prince Charming etc). The monster "loves" the member of the prey class and has
to fight off their urge to eat the prey ... they eat other prey, maybe even in front of
their love, but it's all OK because the monster's so charming. Oops, sorry. I didn't mean
to bite you. I just can't help it.
In Sabine's case, it's that sweet sweet audience capture, with an aged othering
to wash it down. But it shows the shallowness of the trope. Sabine is prey for
Weinstein, who's prey for Thiel. So the gullible science nerds who simply like
her quirkiness have no idea they're part of the food chain, or which part.
Dave's problem is more interesting. Even his boring-as-hell videos do well. So
he gets the opportunity to choose where he applies charity and whether charity
is appropriate. He engages in WAY too much ego mode charity. Someone like Alex
O'Connor engages in way too much emic mode charity (e.g.
https://youtu.be/H16GBjvB3D4?si=H-pZ5EHa5hXk5EIk - but even there, I found
myself reconstructing Peterson's hierarchy of values more charitably than Alex
[pffft]).
On 8/4/25 4:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I was walking my dog on a calm evening far away from the bustle of traffic. A
lone SUV drove by, and out of this SUV jumped a younger German Shepard that
proceeded to attack my dog. (I got a hold of it in time.)
For no reason or provocation at all. Had the roles been reversed, my dog
might have done the same. Prey instinct for an animal that has good motion
detection but not great vision otherwise.
Somehow that seems right in this age of oligarch rule.
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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2025 2:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] steelman, again
Further Exposing Sabine Hossenfelder With Six Physicists
https://youtu.be/oipI5TQ54tA?si=jnXzCe6xNpzBXtXj
Classic Dave: "Thanks for helping us to reconstruct the timeline of you selling out to
fascist oligarchs." >8^D
But each of those actual physicists (and Dave previously) noted that some of her content is fine,
good even. It's really the click-drivers, the money makers, that are problematic. I remember Hilary
Clinton saying something like "you need both a public and private postion" on whatever
issue. I agreed with her. E.g. my private opinion on gun control is to let anyone have any gun they
want from pea shooters to armed drones. But my "political" opinion, were I ever in charge
of any institution that was supposed to avoid triggering an apocalypse, is a strict federal
licensing, bolt-action and shotguns only (despite my affection for my handguns).
So it is with Sabine. I suppose we're way past the time when you could assess a
person by character/virtues/vices. We are all disintegrated. Now we have to
parse each utterance. Sabine contains multitudes. Maybe she's low-key applying
for a job with the next King made by our big tech overlords? Would we trust her
more or less than RFK Jr? FFS.
On 8/4/25 7:04 AM, glen wrote:
Avoiding Toxic Charity in Argumentation
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11245-025-10238-9
Backing into toxic charity from the concept of "civility porn" (e.g. Lex Fridman), confirms my bias
against "yes and" sense-making. But I admit that Stevens' distinction between types of rhetorical
charity (ego, emic, & complex) gives some credence to those who call me contrarian. I spend way more time
doing ego charity and not enough time in the emic mode. However, this trichotomy is also false. I don't believe
one can do ego mode without doing emic mode ... at least and still call it "charity" with any fidelity.
The words that come out of others' mouths never actually make sense to me ...
even my own words revisited rarely make sense at first. I always have to decode
whatever was being said before I can re-frame it in my current context. And I
think it's that handicap of mine that leads face-to-face interlocuters to
describe me as a competent listener.
Anyway, the reason I'm posting it, here, is because Stevens' 1st footnote walls
off assessing rhetoric from afar - like reading a 1500 page tome or trolling
from your mom's basement. And that relates directly, I think, to epistemic
loneliness and the dopaminergic addiction to LLMs. What, precisely, do we lose
when we stop talking to live intelligence(s) and our intellectual diet is
overwhelmed by zombie intelligence? I'm almost at the point where I'd prefer
talking to a Nazi with a spittle soaked chin than ChatGPT ... almost, almost.
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