Some of the more episodic among us might not be surprised by that, but it would 
be interesting if synaptogenesis was triggered by those two (conventionally 
destructive) suffering events.   The dual role of microglial performing cleanup 
but also modulating neurotransmitters?

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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2025 7:19 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] degeneracy, again


An information-theoretic foreshadowing of mathematicians’ sudden insights
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2502791122

I'm a fan of crazy. So when Terrence Howard or Avi Loeb get all excited about 
some apohenic pattern of which they're convinced, I can't help but pay 
attention. Their "model collapse" to some conviction is important, in spite of 
(or because of) snarky "hard-nosed" gatekeepers for Science.

Best I can tell, Tabatabaeian et al didn't correlate the "insights" to 
insights. I.e. did the people exhibiting the aha! moments actually get the 
correct solution to the problem? Or were they merely having Terrence Howard 
experiences?

I think there's something like a refractory period at work, here. I don't 
remember when I resurfaced from the cognitive fog of my cancer treatment. I 
remember being surprised by the old familiar pattern of getting lost in some 
fugue ... pulling 100 books off my shelves, flicking through the indices, 
trying to assemble the gist from stuff I'd read. But I do remember resurfacing 
from the cognitive fog of my recent bout with long covid. I was a zombie for 
about a year, just "there" enough to not fsck up my work, but otherwise as 
incurious as a just-fed cat. In May, something sparked and I went on a "bender" 
that included pulling books off shelves, querying all the chatbots in different 
ways, even pissing off a bartender because me and a biologist friend were 
arguing too loudly about it.

To me, that state of confusion is more enjoyable than the collapsed state, 
after you've concluded some "fact". I can't help but wonder at people who seem 
to enjoy "being right" about some thing. It's much more fun to be confused.

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