I don't think the point is to get rid of event horizons, but rather to get rid of singularities.
I read there are a number of "new physics" ideas for preventing a singularity, such as gravastars. What I was harumphing about was the idea that a fermionic ball will do the job - that is known physics. Cheers On Tue, Feb 24, 2026 at 05:27:52PM -0500, Santafe wrote: > I didn’t see Owen’s original post, and need to read the link. > > But why do we want to avoid event horizons of super-massive black holes? We > now have rather nice models of colliding stellar-mass black holes, and I > don’t think anything is going to get rid of those event horizons (or, as they > are called locally, “apparent horizons”), because the standard Einstein > equations are doing a beautiful job predicting the waveforms and now parts of > the ringdown, to the point where they can invert to get rotation rates and > spin axes relative to the orbital axis. > > An event horizon is an event horizon. Once you have them for stellar-mass > BH, why would they be any worse or more to-avoid for galactic-center > super-massive BHs? They are among the most identical, scaled, versions of > the same one thing. > > ?? > > But, will read…. > > > On Feb 24, 2026, at 17:16, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Maybe a naive response, but isn't a star composed of compressed > > fermionic particles otherwise known as a white dwarf? And if the > > electrons and protons overcome Coulombic force to combine to form pure > > neutronium (also fermionic particles), then its called a neutron > > star? If I remember correctly from my astrophysics course some 4 > > decades ago. > > > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2026 at 09:35:46AM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote: > >> The SMBH (Super Massive Black Hole) conjectured to be at the center of most > >> galaxies may not be black holes, but a highly compressed cloud of fermionic > >> particles. These particles are those like the electron that obey the > >> exclusion > >> principle, i.e. cannot have the same the same quantum state as their > >> neighbors. Abs Fab!! > >> > >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.sci.news%2fastronomy%2f&c=E,1,Q4qUwJN-9ASkmROQmpY6JR4naMhtnmTxzb6rRpDsBQHmohNsDckooVAyZ5xnRloqvf9EM2l5XdHol_JPHfSZtupT2Lq9mmsA_xhpzxRhekghRwv9pYU,&typo=1 > >> milky-ways-compact-object-fermionic-dark-matter-14537.html > >> > >> This, like the string theoretic version of black holes, gets rid of the > >> singularity of classical black hole model. This is huge in that rather > >> than an > >> event horizon and a singularity at the center for black holes, and no > >> structure > >> in between, both string theory and the fermionic model have internal > >> structure > >> and can be applied by modern physics. 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