The ecology podcast is a keeper.

Thanks Glen

> On Apr 3, 2026, at 22:49, glen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it's easy to poke fun. But I tend to agree with Strawson, in general, 
> that consciousness isn't any kind of mystery ... or at least any more 
> mysterious than what the physicists are telling us about matter.
> 
> I'm as enthralled by the neuroscience as any standard rube. E.g.
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-10068-0 and
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.thetransmitter.org%2fsystems-neuroscience%2fdigital-sphinx-raises-questions-about-connectome-models%2f&c=E,1,-lhqA-VGDWXns16XB0VoaIUSr3rsbaK9CFB8AAh2oiVi_WOBCak-oCRgwFqElNFEy0vh5CsounkRhtMqS9Y1lePnQSDAI50dFXutIYl7VOssmV3tNV4sJQ,,&typo=1
> But when I try to draw a line between the *capacities* of different objects 
> (e.g. metacognition) to encode and react to patterns in their environment, I 
> fail. All the things we ascribe to the *animated* objects simply seem like 
> more of the same kinds of things we see in immobile objects. We animals are 
> merely teleonomic. Consciousness (and sentience, purpose, intention, etc.) 
> are problems of attribution/naming, convenient classification, not 
> fundamental in any useful sense.
> 
> As for how you treat your stuff, I'm a fan of the sentiment that if you want 
> to understand someone's character, watch how they treat service industry 
> workers like baristas or workers in the drive-thru window. How you treat 
> *your* objects says more about you than it does about the object. Each "found 
> object" presents you with a choice of how you treat it, animated or not. It's 
> your yard, right? Who am I to say you're doing it wrong? >8^D 
> https://www.youtube.com/@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt Private property is a VERY 
> dangerous hallucination.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/2/26 7:44 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> I have an odd behavior which is to get angry with physical objects which 
>> hurt me or frustrate me.  This includes calling them "bad names" which I 
>> never call humans or animals.  Perhaps I should stop this behavior.
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
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>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 505 670-9918
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>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2026, 7:48 AM glen <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>    Up until the middle of the 2nd to last paragraph. [sigh]
>>    
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fconsciousness&c=E,1,7P-jiejvFtgfQApyhGQTlE_Qn5-rnyiT4OSt7MfFrAH5fR2J_XiCtz5bFjIZkIauSLlp5myXJl97E2zFWSsbLXXyV_aSqQHHDg1fsw3K2oTwX_E3SEnyNzKZlw,,&typo=1
>>  
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fconsciousness&c=E,1,Tlxzygs8tOvRqzj1ACT1DZxu-EM8JyZ8ttuGrXhc4Hde2O8TYvCFJWfMk5vvGPTfQvFAkjE3LNdi68SRMUYD9prTH19JTyiATL2GAuykSEbB&typo=1>
>>    cf also: 
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fdavid-hume-was-not-a-humean&c=E,1,YrT7imM_SUo5y9l-ej2oBR1fwx-hEYOPArw76JoVKq6vJlcF1ze0dQWtKTWJj0LTJyEkXMj-lxnpraYdIzC4T8AFv2Xzyx2vul78tapj5iQsjYlnag0BwWwVJA,,&typo=1
>>  
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fdavid-hume-was-not-a-humean&c=E,1,ek2bhNrwDfPTgtzboTG_TfDZBnCDGwWZZn9fuP5d6TTA9mfY_aZtwKA-JhOprWlflQLExdunK4vocUpmzmgUzFXtGn65pP5w5BgerXRrp-_u&typo=1>
>>    But I'm really into the phrase "terminological slum". I think I'd prefer 
>> a word other than "slum", though. It feels vaguely classist or something. 
>> Would anyone who lives in a slum call their neighborhood a "slum"? I guess 
>> that's kinda my litmus test. If the potential victims _own_ the term, maybe 
>> it's OK to use it. Having relatives who actually live in swamps, I'm OK with 
>> the abuse of that term. I also learned the word 
>> [duff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_floor 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_floor>) the other day. This is even 
>> more apt than swamp, I think. Of the parade of thinkers Strawson lists 
>> (Solms, Levin, Damasio, etc), my guess is they would be amenable to a kind 
>> of Delphi method for shrinking the terminological hull surrounding 
>> "consciousness". I bet if we tuned 100 or so LLM agents, each on one of 
>> these denizens of the duff, we could get them to disperse out into the 
>> ecosystem proper, some in the canopy, some deep in the soil, maybe 
>> eliminating the
>>    problematic moniker entirely.
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