Working on a bottom turtle. Zack is an avid proponent of AI, convinced it will transform the world. He is probably right, but all the “wonders” he sees coming are dependent, his words, on humans, using what he sees as uniquely human abilities making effective and appropriate use of the tools. I am much more of a contrarian. His five questions are horribly misformed IMO; but, given them, my conclusion is not unfounded.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2026, at 10:26 AM, glen wrote: > All these deontological values alignment > [thingamagjigs](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thingamajig) irritate > me. I ran across [this > one](https://gometa.substack.com/p/the-teilhard-test) just this > morning. And while I like it better than Kass' (at least as you've > presented it here), it's still irritating. They all seem to ignore > Hume's guillotine. At least the experimental games (e.g. > [KPR](https://doi.org/10.1007/978-88-470-0665-2_18)) provide a logical > bottom turtle from which such heuristics can be *derived* rather than > mandated from above. Unless one is steeped in one or other spiritual > traditions, these value sets beg for red teams to defeat them, to use > them for rhetorical cover while competing for the #1 spot on the > exploitation leader board. > > On 4/15/26 3:41 AM, Prof David West wrote: >> Zack Cass, /The New Ren*AI*ssance/, poses five questions that must be >> answered negatively in order for a task/job to be automated (replaced with >> AI). >> >> 1- does it enhance human agency? >> 2- does it deepen trust and connection? >> 3-does it sharpen human judgement? >> 4-does it expand collective opportunity? >> 5-can outcomes be audited and/or reversed? >> >> It seems to me, based on fifty years working in business IT development, >> that several hundred thousand developers/software engineers should be >> replaced with AI and automated out of existence. >> > > > -- > ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ ǝ uǝןƃ > ὅτε oi μὲν ἄλλοι κύνες τοὺς ἐχϑροὺς δάκνουσιν, ἐγὰ δὲ τοὺς φίλους, ἵνα σώσω. > > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. > / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
