"Bill Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

| > | These rational values always have an exact representation in the
| > | domain Fraction Integer and form a specific subset of the real
| > | numbers. Among other things, this makes equality in Float fully
| > | transitive, where as in some other floating point systems this might
| > | not be the case.
| >
| > I do not understand what you mean by that.  In the IEEE's system,
| > -0 compare equal to +0.  The only way you get the sign is when you
| > ask for it.
| >
| 
| You are right and I was wrong.
| 
| As one can see from the above code, Axiom works with an arbitrarily
| set fixed precision represented by 'bits()' and equality is defined in
| terms of 'zero? (x - y)'. The result of - depends on the value of
| 'bits()' and is therefore ultimately non-transitive
| 
|    a = b and b = c  does not imply  a = c
| 
| for some values of a, b and c.

equality is not transitive if you take into account NaNs, but that is
bit what I had in mind...

| > | Simiarly, %plusInfinity and %minusInfinity are not
| > | values in Float.
| > |
| > | IEEE floats however are something different - wouldn't you agree?
| >
| > It is as different as short integer is different from long long
| > interger :-)  Note that floating point systems are parameterized, and
| > not all of them are algebraically closed.  The IEEE system, as an
| > algebra, is closed.
| >
| 
| But as an algebra what axioms does it obey?

The distinctive ones are the laws governing the projections (rounding
modes) -- see Goldberg's tutorial.
| 
| > | What I was supposing is the maybe the domain DoubleFloat (which
| > | currently looks more or less just like a fixed precision version of
| > Float) should be given semantics that more closely resembles
| >  IEEE 754.
| >
| > In OpenAxiom, DoubleFloat is supposed to reflect a (64-bit) double
| > precision IEEE-754 floating point datatype.  Only Lisp mis abstractions
| > get in the way; but thankfully SBCL and ECL provides some (limited)
| > ways to get around thise over abstractions.
| >
| 
| So, would it be a good idea to make Axiom domain Float also conform
| to IEEE 754? 

IEEE 754 defines fixed precision floating point system.  I'm not sure
I want that for Float (which is trying to implement arbitrary
precision floating point systems).

-- Gaby

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