It is a normal in the U.S. to have silent letters that other
languages pronounce. The obvious one is the "H" which
the English pronounce and the American does not, such
as in the word "Herb" (a kind of plant). The English say
"Herb", the American say "erb".
Using the phrase "the (letter) is silent" is cheap U.S. comedy.
Being a poor comedian but aware that the unlaut is a different German
letter ("o" vs "ö", since Gröbner is the correct spelling) I tried to
make a joke that "the umlaut is silent". Jokes always loose
(the second "o" is silent) in translation. Sigh.
Anyway, this is off topic but I intended to defend Waldek's spelling
mistake.
Having studied and forgotten both German and French
I am honestly impressed with all the group member's command of English.
Tim
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 3:39 PM Ralf Hemmecke <r...@hemmecke.org> wrote:
> > My German often suffers from "The umlaut is silent"
>
> What exactly should that mean?
>
> As a native German I can tell you that o and ö are not the same letter.
> And they are pronounced differently. So I don't understand your "silent".
>
> > (e.g in Groebner/Grobner).
>
> Well, if you write/say Flote or Krote instead of Flöte (flute) or Kröte
> (toad), then a German would probably either understand that you have
> problems with umlauts of (if the German does not have an understanding
> for other languages) even look at you and hardly understand you at all.
>
> People write Floete or Kroete on keyboards that do not have the umlaut
> letters on them and this is usually commonly understood.
>
> Ralf
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