On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 01:23:55AM -0400, James Cloos wrote:
> btw, speaking of hyperdoc,
>
> have the default fonts ever been updated to ones available in recent
> distributions?
>
> the original probably were fine on an ibm box, but were never okon an
> xfree or xorg box.
I do not think that we changed anything in font setting. In the past
I have looked at available fonts and they seem to differ quite a lot
between systems. AFAICS the best thing that we can do in general
(as opposed to customised user settings) is to pick default system
font. And IIUC current configuration is more or less doing this.
It is possible that we could do better to respect default system
choices, but we should make fonts less (and no more) specific.
> i currently have:
>
> FriCAS.hyperdoc.RmFont:
> -bitstream-charter-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
> FriCAS.hyperdoc.TtFont:
> -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
> FriCAS.hyperdoc.ActiveFont:
> -bitstream-charter-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
> FriCAS.hyperdoc.FriCASFont:
> -bitstream-charter-bold-i-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
> FriCAS.hyperdoc.EmphasizeFont:
> -bitstream-charter-medium-i-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
> FriCAS.hyperdoc.BoldFont:
> -bitstream-charter-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
>
> on this laptop. and used this on my workstation before it died:
>
> ! FriCAS.hyperdoc.RmFont:
> -b&h-lucidabright-medium-r-normal--20-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
> ! FriCAS.hyperdoc.TtFont:
> -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-20-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
> ! FriCAS.hyperdoc.ActiveFont:
> -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-20-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
> ! FriCAS.hyperdoc.FriCASFont: -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-[20 0
> 2 20]-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
> ! FriCAS.hyperdoc.EmphasizeFont:
> -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-[20 0 2 20]-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
> ! FriCAS.hyperdoc.BoldFont:
> -b&h-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-20-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
>
> not as good as client-side fonts would look, of course,
> but at least readable.
>
> (I don't recall why i used [20 0 2 20] rather than 20.
> that bit of slant must have had some meaning....)
>
> In any case, using faces which are directly available as bfd or pcf and
> thus do not require scaling by the X server is vital to readability.
AFAIK current X font are mostly scalable, so scaling should be non-critical.
> client-side font support would be better, but using unscaled server-side
> fonts gets the job done. defaulting to widely installed faces is therefore
> important.
I understand that some applications want custom fonts. But simple
application like HyperDoc should be able to work with system
fonts, we are not in font business.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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