Zakaj pa ti ne kupuješ hladilnikov z A+ razredom? Oziroma zakaj ne kupujemo mobilnih Intelov, ampak raje cenejše AMDje, čeprav žrejo več elektrike? :)

Ekologija je super, žal pa je trenutno predraga. Kanta iz reciklirane plastike je dražja ko kanta iz nove ali pa iz kovine. Recikliran papir, je ironično dražji, kot bel nov papir. Toplotna črpalka s katero porabo energije za ogrevanje lahko zmanjšaš na 30%, je tako draga, da se ti investicija povrne po 20 letih. Fotovoltaične celice so ravno tako drage, da se ti povrnejo v roku 20 letih. Dvojna vodna napeljava je draga, da se ti povrne investicija po več kot 30 letih.

Potrošna družba pa pričakuje rezultate danes, zdaj. Ne čez 10 let, ko se bo investicija v dražji hladilnik splačala. In če se zahtevne standarde uvede zgolj na območju EU, bo to pomenilo samo selitev proizvodnje izven EU!

lp,
m

Jernej Vrcko wrote:
Jst mislim, da je tako...

Večinski delež prodaje še vedno predstavljajo energijsko bolj potrošni
hladilniki (vsaj v že uveljavljenih - lobijsko močnih - podjetjih). Na drugi
strani pa želijo nekatera podjetja (manj uveljavljena) uspeti s prodajo
radikalno varčnih hladilnikov. Njim v prid je prihajajoči zakon o veliko
strožji omejitvi energijske porabe gospodinjskih aparatov. Zgoraj omenjeni
lobij pa je že na delu, Želijo ublaženo spremembo zakona o omejitvi.

Potem pa je tukaj še močnejši lobij :) ...hladilniki rabijo elektriko,
elektriko proizvaja... Elektro-gospodarstvu je seveda v interesu čim večja
poraba el. energije. Oni so torej tista industrija, ki nasprotuje tej ideji.
Ja, manj dela za elektro-proizvodnjo in marsikdo bi pomislil - manj delovnih
mest. In vendar je to izziv, ki je s pametno prestrukturizacijo realno
izvedljiv. Konec koncev, saj je Evropska unija predhodno po (verjamem da)
tehtnem premisleku že sama predstavila predlog za ta zakon. Mislim, da
strah, da bi se naredilo več škode kot koristi, ni potreben.

Svet je lep. Poskrbimo, da tak tudi ostane! ;)

Lep pozdrav!
J.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Rok <[email protected]> wrote:

"Strong green standards, according to expert studies, ... would reduce our
energy
bills by tens of billions of Euros per year."

Kako je mogoče, da industrija nasprotuje tej spremembi, če naj bi tako
drastično
zmanjšala njihove stroške v primerjavi s trenutnim delovanjem? Če je ta
pocenitev
nekaj realno dosegljivega, bi namreč pričakoval ravno obratno. Malce čudno,
ne?

Ena možna razlaga bi bila ta, da bi morala industrija v te spremembe
vložiti
veliko sredstev in se jim zato upira. Vendar, te stroške naj bi sčasoma
pokrili potrošniki,
tako da je pocenitev njihovih storitev hudo vprašljiva...

Nisem apriori proti 'zelenim' regulacijam, se pa bojim, da je njihova cena
zaenkrat
previsoka in bodo s tem naredili več škode kot koristi.

Rok

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Pišem kar vsem, ker sem prepričan, da je zelo, zelo pomembno!

To je eden izmed prvih korakov, ki bodo ključni v izboljšanju zemeljske
prihodnosti...


Lep sončen teden želim!
Jernej

p.s.: Če se kdo ne strinja, se opravičujem za spam.


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Date: Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Subject: A talking fridge?
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