On Thursday, 11 April 2002 16:26:49 +0530, VaRuN SiNhA wrote: > an upgrade to make my system work better with Linux. What about the rest of the OS? > > Let us suppose, we harp about FS as free beer. Get people attracted to it > because of it's low or zero cost. No. Proprietary software can do the same thing and they don't have to worry about *attracting* people because 90% of the computer users are already *attracted*. Non free software already has a head start here and this point doesn't give us any advantage. > IMHO, OK. > " The same logic that some PS > companies follow: get the market addicted to their product (more often than > not my turning a blind-eye to piracy) and then swoop in with expensive > upgrades. Why can't the FS companies do that? FS companies can do what proprietary software companies do, but to start with, how do a free software company attract customers? Both free software and non-free software costs the same according to the hypothesis we are considering. So the only advantage we can claim that non-free software doesn't have is FREEDOM. You are just saying the same point in a different way :-)) > take the losses. But I am convinced that FS companies will have to undergo a > shorter period of losses, because they will be able to prove their > quality. The freedoms offered by free software gives great potential for software quality to improve. But this is only a secondary benefit. Many non free software companies have the best computer scientists in their payroll, have deals with universities to share code and thus receive good enhancements (under NDAs) and follow excellent quality processes (just look at the number of cmm level 5 companies in India alone). The bottom line is, efficient, good quality code is not some thing that non-free software can't achieve, and they already have these things. (OK, windows may have crashed, IIS may have less market share than apache, but these are not non-fixable or non-changeable).
So *quality* is also not special to free-software. But FREEDOM is!!! > Hypothetical cases: > > Case I: > > A company wants to setup an intranet. PS cost: 5 lakhs (top of my head, I > have NO idea what they really cost) FS Cost: 50, 000 (?) The moment we succeed in making people notice this price difference by harping on the low cost/no cost aspect of free software, non-free software companies will also notice this shift. (They have trained marketing geniuses in their pay roll, just for noticing these things) Then they will react by aggressive price cuts and promotional offers. The hypothetical free software company is killed before its first business deal! > FS offers them nearly infinite flexibility: they can have it customized to > suit their needs, bug fixes will be almost immediate.... True. This is because of the FREEDOM and not because of *low cost* or *better quality*. So we should talk of freedom rather than cost or quality. > PS, on the other hand, has *very* limited flexibility, bug > fixes...lol....take forever, and then also not always perfect. Ie, no freedom. That is exactly my point. Thank you. > I spent 3000 bucks on a boxed Linux. Out of which more that 60% is gnu and you choose not to mention it :-)) > I have probably spent 10% of that on PS Does that prove any thing? If your PC came with licensed non-free software, then you have spent more on proprietary software than Rs 3000. If not, it is another issue altogether. > Simply because I knew that spending that 3000 was BIG TIME worth Yes. You got freedom along with the software for the money you spend. Please note again, that Freedom is the advantage you got here. It is not low cost, because according to your post, you have spent much less on non-free software. > Why not others, if not me. Good question. But I don't understand its relevance in this context. > > That is one reason why I believe that free-beer aspect is > important. How? > > Case II My father is a professor. My mum also works. We aren't rich - we're > comfortable, but we won't go abroad every year. For us, cost is probably > *the* most important factor while purchasing most things (esp. computer > related stuff). I am repeating this again and again. (I am not bored) A proprietary software company can give you non-free software cheaper than free software. The only reason why you might want to go with free software is the FREEDOM that you get. > My mum uses Windows at home simply because that's what came > with it. Tomorrow, if someone came and said "Ma'am, here is this OS and > office suite, free of charge and it's really good" she would use > it. Why would she throw away some thing she was using for a long time. Not having to pay for it is irrelevant because she already has something to do her job whether she paid for it or not. The only reason I see for why she might be interested is FREEDOM, provided she knows the importance of freedom. So best thing we can do is to make sure that people understand the importance of freedom. > doesn't care about freedom. She doesn't know *single* bit of any .... > done and for as little as possible. She installs the free (beer) SW, see > that it absolutely ROCKS. She finds the same things for non-free software. > She calls the FS people. "Is it possible for <certain feature not > present> to be done?" Again, we can get her to use free software instead of non-free software in the first place, only if we inform her about the freedoms she gets with free software and the lack of freedom in case she uses non-free software. > She sees the quality of FS. Quality is not something absent in non free software. One non-free OS may crash often, but there are 10 others that don't. > So the way I see, it harping on the free (beer) aspect, >From the points you have mentioned, I am even more convinced that talking of low cost and quality of free software will do more bad for free software than good, if at all any. bye, pappu. _______________________________________________ Fsf-india mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-india