BTW, The FBI uses Choicepoint for a few specialized queries. Most terrorism related.
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Ron DuFresne > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 1:16 PM > To: Vincent van Scherpenseel > Cc: Full-Disclosure > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: choice-point screw-up and > secure hashes > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Vincent van Scherpenseel wrote: > > > On Saturday 19 March 2005 13:02, Kurt Seifried wrote: > > > > Don't forget that it's bad for the company's image to have > > > > confidential customer data stolen. As soon as the press > catches on > > > > it's bad for business. > > > > So, companies *do* have a drive to secure your private data. > > > > > > Uhhh no. See consumers such as yourself don't actually purchase > > > services from choicepoint/etc (unless you're a Nigerian > guy who is into ID theft =). > > > Businesses do. And businesses don't care if choicepoint > is secure or > > > not, they care if choicepoint has the data. It's like > Equifax, you > > > don't buy information from them, companies you deal with > do. These > > > firms have no incentive to protect your information, > because they'll > > > never lose your business. > > > > Consumer A pays for a service from Company B which uses a payment > > method from Company C. Company C holds data from Consumer A for > > Company B. Now, C gets compromised and data from A is stolen. Don't > > you think the consumer will knock on Company B's door? The consumer > > doesn't deal with Choicepoint, the consumer deals the > company, as you > > said. Now, Company B has been found responsable for the mess by the > > consumer. Don't you think B will now knock on C's door? > > > Do you know which companies trade and buy personal data from > your bank, insurance company, the utilities <phone, electric, > gas>, your city and county, your ISP, <endless list>...? > > How many people new of let alone knew/know which comapnies > choice-point obatined their data from? Quite often putting > pressure on company C is not a straight forward matter for > the public at large. > > Thanks, > > Ron DuFresne > -- > "Sometimes you get the blues because your baby leaves you. > Sometimes you get'em 'cause she comes back." --B.B. King > ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!*** > > OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
