-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've not known the list as it was before 2003... and I really would like to know how it was then.
I'm not sure how to understand these lines: > do you remember why this full-disclosure list was started in the first > place? > I do... undelayed, unmoderated, uncensored, disclosure, full if you > want, room for discussions etc Do you mean symantec first checks every message which causes a delay? And in the case they don't like the message they delete it? Or perhaps censor some stuff? Alex Frank de Wit wrote: > That's why I wrote 'before 2003'... reading is difficult, arrogance is > easy I see in your response, the arrogance of a Symantec I would like to > say, but you still interest me ;-) > I see differences, it's called delayed disclosure and it's called > symantec (who has more securityproblems with it's own products than any > other security software supplier(?) :-) and it's called $ to pay for > information which used to be free before securityfocus 'went commercial' > http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2002-July/000143.html > remember? that's the moment you went rich and blind :-) > if you don't see it, all that yellow stuff is blinding you or the money > is blinding you > did the people who contributed to securityfocus got paid when you > received all those US$ ? > ok that's old cows, let's leave that because we're grownups... at least > we say we are > do you remember why this full-disclosure list was started in the first > place? > I do... undelayed, unmoderated, uncensored, disclosure, full if you > want, room for discussions etc > Why would we need another @securityfocus list if we already have this > full disclosure list... that's whay I wrote between the lines ;-) > Securityfocus.com was great... until it was bought by Symantec... I saw > you come, be and die > My opinion, if you don't like it... well... that's life > > Alfred Huger wrote: > >> >> >> Frank, >> >> It was acquired in 2002 not 2003. If you can actually point to >> anything differant other than aesthetics I'd be happy to talk about it >> and even work to change it if it's got merit. I've been here since the >> begining - given I started it - and I really see little or any >> differance pre vrs. post Symantec. >> >> -al >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Frank de Wit wrote: >> >>> todo? >>> quit symantec >>> restart the real securityfocus as it was before 2003 >>> start fulldisclosure... >>> >>> Alfred Huger wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> As most of you know, some of the strongest value the SecurityFocus >>>> community has to offer is that of our mailing lists. These lists >>>> contribute a vast amount of information and dialogue to the >>>> community at >>>> large but they are generally held within a finite amount of lists, >>>> which >>>> changes little (in terms of # of lists) over time. Given this is the >>>> case >>>> we, every few years, make a call for new mailing lists from the >>>> community. >>>> >>>> I would like to invite you to send me your thoughts on which new >>>> mailing lists we should start here. Based off the feedback we >>>> receive I believe we will launch a number of new lists in the late >>>> September timeframe. I also urge you to consider becoming a >>>> moderator for the list(s) you suggest because as a community we are >>>> only viable if we all make an effort to participate.. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alfred >>>> >>>> Alfred Huger >>>> Symantec Corp. >>>> Sr. Director, Engineering >>>> Response & Global Managed Security Services >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> Alfred Huger >> Symantec Corp. >> > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDFuFXrCFWJqEhh1cRAmqIAJ4n9urRiqeqPXIHjXZviISAKvFCMACdHQzI yUC9VXTUTEaTuc7ohWJeVAo= =b5jD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
