> .... Sure, we aren't always right... I quite > often have changed a position in the face of > irrefutable evidence. It is a mark of character to > admit when you are wrong.
Fredrick Diggle imagines that happens quite often to you eh? Also the hippo says hello :D On Feb 17, 2008 9:21 PM, Bryan L. Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know Jonathan quite well ... As a public leader in > this space (one that is not afraid to stand up in > front of crowds and speak a message), you are bound to > make some enemies out there, it's inevitable. > > I can't remember where I heard it, but its a great > saying... if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for > anything... and its sage advice. > > The challenge is that once you expose yourself to the > peanut gallery like many of us do, someone that does > not have the same courage is likely to posit the voice > of the pessimist. It is much more easy to destroy > than create. Sure, we aren't always right... I quite > often have changed a position in the face of > irrefutable evidence. It is a mark of character to > admit when you are wrong. > > Any tactic involving slamming another peer, throwing > under the bus, or spreading uncorroborated > information, however, is deplorable. Sure, if JP or > anyone else shows up on "The Smoking Gun" with a > credible piece of information behind it.. then we can > have this conversation. But if we don't have solid > proof, better left to say nothing. > > I know JP quite well and would be happy to know that > he worked on my security program. > > > PS: asinine-sasion... that's good... > --- worried security <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 2008 10:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > So what's the point, Ghostrider, other than > > character assassination > > > (or is that asinine-sasion)? > > > > > > Simply by highlighting what is at most dubious > > information, you > > > present it as fact and leave the rest to > > now-public conjecture. > > > > > > What is your relation to the guy? Indeed, when > > were you > > > fired...and for what? > > > > > > Even if your grudge-specific accusation had a > > smidgen of truth, > > > exactly how many people sharing that name are in > > the US..or the > > > world for that matter? If you goto: > > > > > http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/namesearch.html > > one can get a > > > pretty good idea how common the name is, and work > > the > > > statistics yourself... Better yet, if I goto a > > search engine > > > starting with Za...I find 5 different people with > > the same name, > > > residing anywhere from beautiful Bakersfield, Ca > > to McCalla, > > > Alabama (don't forget your Banjo, pig, and > > slobbering 'Tard, 'ya > > > hear?). > > > > > > The odds seem to be...lacking, Ghostrider. > > > > > > What a nasty, spiteful and cheap way to air your > > grievance against > > > someone -- one can only hope the groundwork you're > > laying doesn't > > > come back to bite you, hard, when the Karma PoPo > > demand unfettered > > > access inside 'yer head. > > > > > > Let's be honest here, perhaps a rare, seminal > > event for 'ya -- > > > you're not performing research, you're trying to > > throw this guy > > > under a bus, an inquisition by any other name -- > > and I'm calling > > > you out. > > > > > > Ghostrider, the question to everyone's answer is > > usually found from > > > within, and I hope the looking glass doesn't hurt > > too much when > > > it's pointed your way some day. > > > > > > -BeenThere > > > > > > p.s. Have you seen what the average SCADA admin > > looks like? One > > > guy in these parts looks like he could have walked > > off the AC/DC > > > Tour Bus...and I must say, I can tell when he > > comes on shift 'cause > > > the lights burn just a little brighter. > > > > > > If SecurityFocus Robert Lemos and HackerFactor Dr > > Neal Krawetz and the > > Funsec crowd can get away with character > > assassination without legal > > action, then some Ghost Rider guy on Full-Disclosure > > is small fry. > > > > You know what am sayin? ;) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: > > > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - > > http://secunia.com/ > > > > > -------------- > Bryan L Singer > > Mufris, non Magister > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
