What's the Negative Public Relations Industry? On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Fionnbharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PDP, > > I don't really need backing up, I think my stuff stands but it seems > you haven't looked at it still. Reckon you could spell my name > correctly though? I get enough typo's with my real name let alone > people messing up 'thoth' (though 6 letter minimum for gmail account > names meant I had to put a u in there =/). > > Seriously though the last thing we need is more 'hacking exposed' > style books out there. The disclaimer on your site says more about you > than anything else: > > "GNUCITIZEN is a Cutting-edge, Ethical Hacker Outfit, Information > Think Tank, which primarily deals with all aspects of the art of > hacking. GNUCITIZEN's work has been featured in established magazines > and information portals, such as Wired, Eweek, The Register, PC Week, > IDG, BBC and many others. The members of the GNUCITIZEN group are well > known and respected experts in the Information Security and Negative > Public Relations (PR) Industries, with widely recognized experience in > the government and corporate sectors and the open source community." > > Talk about public masturbation. I don't think any of the other people > you mention in your posts that you look up to walk around claiming > they're awesome nearly as much as you. > > On 19/03/2008, Petko D. Petkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > reepex, > > > > you are the only one backing up troth, read on all comments... I don't > > bash people. I encourage them and this is present in all my work and > > the work behind the GNUCITIZEN umbrella. Not I, but the crowd hanged > > him, as well they will hang you for your arrogant, egocentric, foolish > > and rather juvenile behavior. I personally don't care about you, nor I > > care if you like the work on GNUCITIZEN or even my work. In my eyes > > and the eyes of others you follow very basic parasitic social pattern: > > making a name for yourself not based on your knowledge but based on > > your arrogant, bottomless comments. > > > > You don't lead by example! You are a parasite, a vampire, sucking > > blood and energy from those around you. I hardly doubt that anyone can > > consider you as a friend or even appreciate your skills and knowledge > > when you are nothing more but a vulture. > > > > Comparing the Agile Hacking project with books such as "How to Own a > > Continent" (by FX, Paul Craig, Joe Grand, and Tim Mullen...), "How to > > Own the Box" (by Ryan Russell, Ido Dubrawsky, FX, and Joe Grand...), > > "How to Own a Shadow" (by Johnny Long, Tim Mullen, and Ryan > > Russell...), "The Art of Intrusion" (by Kevin D. Mitnick, and William > > L. Simon..) and the "Hacking Exposed" series (by some of the most > > recognized information security experts such as, but not only, Johnny > > Cache, Chris Davis, Stuart McClure, Joel Scambray, Andrew Vladimirov, > > Brian Hatch, David Endler...), is nothing but a flattering comment. I > > hope that this project achieves and even superseeds their success. > > These are some of my favorite books and I have a great respect for > > their authors. > > > > You and all others who support your dieing cause and who have > > repeatedly attacked what we have build from scratch with far too many > > sacrifaces, can laugh now but the simple fact is that you will never > > even come close to what we have already achieved and gave to this > > community. You and all other Full-disclosure trolls proved to be > > untrustworthy, unworthy even creatures. I hope that your real > > identities stay well hidden behind your nicknames as I highly doubt > > that you will succeed in life. If I were in your place I would have > > reconsidered my values. Your and the other trolls comments are not > > satire but idiocracy as a fellow GNUCITIZEN reader have pointed out. > > > > Kind Regards, > > pdp > > > > founder of GNUCITIZEN, information security research, penetration > > tester, life hacker, co-author of two best-selling books, author of > > numerous printed publications and online media outlets, active speaker > > and opinion former, hacker culture evangelist, founder of Hakiri, > > entrepreneur, lecturer, etc... > > > > I am far behind the people I look after for inspiration and guidance > > but I am well ahead of you. > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:35 AM, reepex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > so no one respects me, i bash people's projects, etc... whatever. > > > > > > You still do not explain why you have the attitude that any who does > not > > > like your work or ideas is a talentless troll that you can brush off. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Petko D. Petkov > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Reepex, > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, you've already lost all the respect for a larger > > > > portion of people on this mailing list as well outside of it. You > have > > > > never led by example but by bashing people on what they try to > > > > accomplish. Everyone who has been in this industry/life style for > long > > > > enough know that they don't know everything. In fact, as the saying > > > > goes: "A wise man never knows all, only fools know everything". > > > > > > > > My advise to you is to stop pretending being someone and be who you > > > > are. If you think that this project is crap then help to make it > > > > better. Everyone that has ever written a book, knows how hard it is > to > > > > put everything together and how frustrating it is to want to put > the > > > > things that you want not having the chance to do so. It is easier > to > > > > say what is crap but 100x harder to do it wright. Also, it is very > > > > easy to take apart people from what they have accomplished, I've > done > > > > it myself: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/hamster-plus-hotspot-equals-web-20-meltdown-not/ > > > > > > > > but 100 of times harder to put yourself in their shoes: > > > > > > > > > http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/reconsidering-the-side-jacking-attack/ > > > > > > > > Again, lead by example not by baseless comments. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > pdp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Nate McFeters < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Ok, I'll buy that, that's reasonable. I wasn't in the exchange > with > > > thoth. > > > > > I guess when I read about a community project to write the > ultimate > > > hacking > > > > > book, I assumed people from all backgrounds of security would be > > > interested > > > > > in contributing... maybe that's a bit of a Utopian view, but I > could > > > imagine > > > > > a one stop Frankenstein of a book (probably one so large you > couldn't > > > even > > > > > carry a hard-copy) that has some really great great stuff if the > right > > > > > people contribute. > > > > > > > > > > Right now, I've got disjointed information everywhere that I > reference > > > for > > > > > various things all over my damn computer and bookshelfs... > Uninformed > > > > > papers, presentations from various sources, manuals, books, blah > blah > > > blah. > > > > > If it was done right, I think the book could be pretty damn cool. > Of > > > > > course, that depends on the community support and the content > that comes > > > out > > > > > of that. I'm not sure what PDP has envisioned for the book, I've > been > > > just > > > > > too busy today to give the article a good read, but I've always > been > > > very > > > > > interested in these community projects. > > > > > > > > > > I think that's why I love ToorCon and really was bummed that I > didn't > > > get to > > > > > make it out to 24c3 this year... lots of collaboration going on > there. > > > > > > > > > > Nate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/18/08, reepex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Nate McFeters > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't consider myself a 'kiddie' and I've considered > contributing > > > to > > > > > it. I feel like the old adage of blowing out someone elses flame > to > > > make > > > > > yours burn brighter applies here. Reepex, I didn't get a chance > to see > > > your > > > > > presentation at kiwicon, bit to expensive for an American on a > tight > > > budget > > > > > to get out there, but if you have a link, I'd love to have a > look. > > > We've > > > > > talked before, so I assume the presentation is good since I know > you > > > know > > > > > your stuff; however, I've also seen some cool stuff come out of > PDP and > > > > > Gnucitizen... why the need to bash? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not give the talk, thoth did. The reason I brought it up > is > > > because > > > > > of > > > > > > http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/agile-hacking/#comment-116766 > > > > > > where pdp blindly assumes thoth does not have a clue, while not > > > knowing > > > > > his background which must be some strange complex where people > think > > > anyone > > > > > who disagrees with them is inferior. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web app hacking may not be the coolest topic in the world to > > > yourself > > > > > and many others, but it is something that a lot of companies are > > > concerned > > > > > with these days, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and we agreed web hacking has its place... the point I made > was > > > that > > > > > you cannot write 'the best hacking manual ever made' as pdp is > touting > > > it > > > > > while only covering web hacking and running combinations of > different > > > tools > > > > > such as kismet/tcpdump that pdp mentined as an example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > > > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Petko D. 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