Did we loose site of the methods used to expose the frauds at work? And how fucking cool it is that people with those skills and talents can have that kind of impact in the world?
My question is, what is next? Rock on! -dave Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Mullins <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:42:22 To: Paul Schmehl<[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Software developer looks at CRU code Deliberately lying to the public in order to push a political and ideological agenda that is unsupported by the scientific data is quite unscientific of them. They are not scientists and have lost all their credibility as such. They should be unable to continue performing scientific work and barred from ever doing so again. Watching these people go into damage control and spin mode is the epitome of hilarity. Let them go into politics, which is clearly where these charlatans belong. >From the InfoSec perspective, this shows why people with something to hide fear those that have the power to expose them. Cue mandatory registration of anyone with "information security" skills to ensure the technocracy is no threat to the oligarchy - or their lies. Sadly, their agenda will succeed sooner or later regardless of the facts as the money and power behind this movement is an unstoppable force. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Paul Schmehl <[email protected]> wrote: > --On Monday, November 30, 2009 6:13 PM -0600 Rohit Patnaik > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Right, but you said that the global warming folks are asking for >> unnecessary spending of *trillions*. Where would those trillions go? > > Apparently you haven't read the proposals to deal with global warming. An > MIT study found the cost of complying with one proposed energy sector bill > designed to deal with global warming would be $4500 annually per family of > four. The EPA analyzed the bill and estimated its cost at 500 billion > dollars by the year 2030. And that's just for the US. And just one > suggested "solution" to the so-called problem. > >> I don't see Al Gore becoming richer than Bill Gates off carbon credits. > > So unless Al Gore makes more than Bill Gates he's not motivated to > proselytize for global warming? He's already made millions of dollars off > the scam, but I suppose his motivations were of the purest form. > >> Neither do I see the UN gaining any more power via the IPCC. If >> anything, the existing climate treaty (i.e. the Kyoto protocol) has >> completely sidestepped the UN. >> > > Anything that takes power away from local communities concentrates power in > larger governmental entities. By the same token, anything that takes power > away from nations, concentrates power in a larger entity - in this case, > the UN, which would supposedly administer fines for non-compliance, etc., > etc. > >> I guess what I'm troubled by is the fact that you seem to be stating that >> there's some kind of deliberate malice on the part of those stating that >> anthropogenic climate change is real. I don't see malice. I see a >> fair amount of incompetence, but incompetence exists in every discipline. >> > > Have you read the emails that were exposed by the hackers? The > "scientists" have deliberately misled the public regarding the data, > conspired to deny FOI requests (which may be a criminal offense), attempted > to get the media to both ignore and denigrate the opposition and written > programs designed to deliberately skew the data in their favor and hide > unfavorable data. > > <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece> > <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece> > > If that isn't malice, what is? > > Paul Schmehl > As if it wasn't already obvious, > my opinions are my own and not > those of my employer. > >_______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
