"if you have to hide yourself, your doing something we don't care for"
Aren't you confusing that with: "if you have to hide something, you shouldn't be doing it" ? As "Google PWNS all again." I think you actually meant "application firewalls pwns all again". On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Guy <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, sunjester <[email protected]> wrote: >> No I am not confusing the two. People want to separate them but fail to >> notice they are both one in the same when you are "surfing the web". Being >> secluded from danger (behind a firewall) or being hidden from the view >> others (behind a firewall) sounds to similar for me to separate the two. >> >> Your security is your privacy, and yes your privacy is your security. You >> give them both up when viewing anything online, it's the price you should >> have to pay to keep the the internet "safe" for casual users. > > sunjester, > > First of all, "security" is a myth. One can presume they're "secure" > (or secluded) from danger sitting behind a firewall, but to do so is > just foolish. > > Second, how exactly does a firewall prevent > (google|msn|twitter|facebook|take-your-pick) from archiving vital > information, such as: search query history, financial information, > surfing habits, buying habits, relationships, hobbies, interests, etc? > With that amount of data, how can you (or anyone) believe the > integrity of your privacy is uncompromised just because you're, > "(behind a firewall)"? > > Finally, uuh - no... My security is my security, and my privacy is my > privacy. I do not "give up" either of them when viewing anything > online. I do, however, put them at risk. > > And who are you tell me I should give up my privacy/security when > surfing the Internet because I owe something to the "casual" user[s]? > Casual users are typically the ones ruining the experience for the > rest of us, and I don't owe anyone of them sh-t. You really believe > everyone using the Internet should forfeit their privacy and security > because they owe you something? That's "the price YOU" might pay, but > not everyone would agree, firewall or not. > > Guy > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
