Yup. We arguing here on fine tuning industry accepted terms would hardly make 
any difference.  But here we are just trying to argue what "should had been" 
the terminology. 
You can say that just cutting out time when there is really no work ;) :P
Regards;
w0lf
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:35:33 
To: [email protected]<[email protected]>; Curt Purdy<[email protected]>; 
[email protected]<[email protected]>;
 [email protected]<[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] 0-day "vulnerability"

None of this really matters.  People will call it whatever they want to.  
Generally, all software has some sort of vulnerability.  If they want to call 
the process of that vulnerability being communicated for the first time "0 day 
vulnerability" then so what.  

The industry can't (and won't) even come up with what "Remote Code Execution" 
really means, so trying to standardize disclosure nomenclature is a waste of 
time IMO. 
t

>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:full-disclosure-
>[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:25 AM
>To: Curt Purdy; [email protected]; full-
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>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] 0-day "vulnerability"
>
>Yep. Totally agree. Vulnerability exists in the system since it has been
>developed. It is just the matter when it has been disclosed or being exploited.
>
>I would suggest " 0 day disclosure" instead of "0 day vulnerability" :)
>
>
>------Original Message------
>From: Curt Purdy
>Sender: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Full-disclosure] 0-day "vulnerability"
>Sent: Oct 28, 2010 8:48 PM
>
>Sorry to rant, but I have seen this term used once too many times to sit idly
>by. And used today by what I once thought was a respectable infosec
>publication (that will remain nameless) while referring to the current Firefox
>vulnerability (that did, by the way, once have a 0-day
>sploit)  Also, by definition, a 0-day no longer exists the moment it is
>announced ;)
>
>For once and for all: There is no such thing as a "zero-day vulnerability"
>(quoted), only a 0-day exploit...
>
>Curt Purdy CISSP, GSNA, GSEC, MCSE+I, CCNA
>
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