On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Laurelai <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/12/2011 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Laurelai<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 10/12/2011 1:26 PM, Daniel Sichel wrote: >>>>> [SNIP] >>>> >>>> I work in the phone business and we have CALEA requirements which >>>> supposedly allows law enforcement to carry out their sanctioned wire >>>> taps anonymously to protect suspects' right to privacy. I may be wrong, >>>> but it seems pretty abusable (if that's a word) to me. I do NOT want >>>> that on the Internet. >>> >>> Right and the way to stop that is to require a warrant and a paper >>> trail, if someone serves a warrant at your home you get a copy of the >>> warrant and you can ensure they only get exactly what the warrant states >>> and *nothing more* these warantless email seizures have no such limits >>> or accountability.they can literally come in and take copies of all your >>> emails and you will never know about it, and they can do it for >>> practically any reason, if you encrypt your email they will just demand >>> they keys/passwords with a court order and you can't really fight it >>> without spending time in jail, the US Gov simply doesn't have enough >>> accountability or transparency, that's why we *need* more legal >>> protections, if cops kick down your door without a warrant then anything >>> they find rightfully cant be used as evidence, the same thing should >>> apply to electronic communications. >> >> In the US, we have the legal protections (on paper). The laws are not >> enforced; the checks are balances are lacking; and there is no >> accountatbility for public officials. >> >> There's not a lot we can do when a public official disregards the law, >> and subsequently goes unpunished. The ACLU and EFF do a great job, but >> until public officials spend time imprisoned for their actions, >> nothing will change. > > That is a good point Jeff, all the more reason to push for change and > reform. Sparta, as one of the first democracies, had it right. They put the public officials on trial when their term expired because they knew what Class A fuck-ups they were. Its funny how that lesson was lost to history.
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