"Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army" right.... :)
2012/6/8 Laurelai <[email protected]> > On 6/8/12 1:03 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > >> finding solutions to countries using cyberwar and using innocent > peoples machines to carry it out,**** > > >> invading peoples privacy and generally doing terrible stuff in the > name of god and country. > > **** > > What solution? And who exactly is going to “find” it? The entire history > of mankind is based on the “terrible stuff we do in the name of god and > country.” We, of course, being humans. All we need is one of the two and > we’ve got all the justification we need to go off and kill someone else for > having a different god or different country. Note I said “justification” > and not “motivation.” God and country are just excuses – means to an > end. There’s always another agenda. **** > > ** ** > > Man does things for two reasons: to get laid, or to get paid. > Everything else is just a nice fuzzy wrap to make us feel better about > ourselves. “Finding some other solution” is naïve and a waste of time. > We, and everyone else, will do whatever we want to do, and do whatever it > takes to get away with it. It’s as simple as that. It’s easy and > convenient for you to bitch about the injustices from behind a keyboard > when men and woman are out there DYING for their country and the integrity > of what they believe in, irrespective of the basis of the decisions their > commanding bodies have for sending them out there. It’s called “real > life.” Grow up and go get that bleeding heart sewn up at some free clinic, > paid for by the government that has to do the hard work in order to > preserve your right to whine about it. **** > > ** ** > > *[image: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: > Description: Description: Description: Description: TimSig]*** > > * * > > *Timothy “Thor” Mullen* > > *www.hammerofgod.com* > > *Thor’s Microsoft Security > Bible<http://www.amazon.com/Thors-Microsoft-Security-Bible-Collection/dp/1597495727> > * > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *Laurelai > *Sent:* Friday, June 08, 2012 9:04 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks > Against Iran**** > > ** ** > > On 6/8/12 11:38 AM, [email protected] wrote: **** > > On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:48:33 -0400, Ian Hayes said:**** > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, andrew.wallace > <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > One could equally well read that as "We're fed up and about to**** > > pound North Korea even further back into the Stone Age".**** > > ** ** > > With Stuxnet, it was lucky nobody was seriously injured.**** > > ** ** > > You cannot condone such weapons Valdis, or your hat will start to turn > grey,**** > > black.**** > > ** ** > > Stuxnet may not have killed anyone, but several Iranian nuclear**** > > scientists were assassinated in conjunction with Stuxnet's release.**** > > ** ** > > Please don't feed the troll - the only way he can post to full-disclosure > is**** > > if somebody quotes him in.**** > > ** ** > > The worst part is that Andrew's reading comprehension is as good as**** > > always - I wasn't commenting on Stuxnet, but the move of naval forces**** > > to the Pacific. China isn't the only reason we might want a naval task**** > > force over there.**** > > ** ** > > And I never said I condoned it, merely pointed out alternate > interpretations.**** > > ** ** > > The funny thing is that Andrew was going on for a *long* time that there**** > > is no such thing as cyber-warfare - when in fact it was going on while he**** > > was denying it.**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > _______________________________________________**** > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.**** > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html**** > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/**** > > I think the real question we should all think on is what are we going to > do about this kind of thing? > > Because the way I see it, the infosec industry is part of this problem > until it finds a way to be a part of the solution, if you all even desire > this. > > If you do then lets talk about finding solutions to countries using > cyberwar and using innocent peoples machines to carry it out, invading > peoples privacy and generally doing terrible stuff in the name of god and > country. > > If you don't then just do us all a favor and stop calling yourself an > infosec expert, stop pretending to be one of the good guys and just call > yourself a mercenary and realize you are in the same class of people who > assassinated civilian scientists for political reasons. I hope all that > money helps you sleep at night. **** > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I damn > well earned my right to complain about how broken the system is, myself and > the soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could all have a free country > and that yes I could "whine" about it. Its called the US Constitution, we > took an oath to uphold and defend it and everything it stands for. I didnt > sign up to "get laid or paid" I did it to serve a cause greater than > myself, not that you would know anything about that. Oh and that "Free > clinic paid for by the government" is called the VA Hospital and I already > earned the care I can receive there. Want to complain about it now? Feel > free. You have that right. Its called freedom of speech. You are welcome. > > So while I'm saying here that the civil liberties I swore to uphold and > defend are eroding away and that evil is triumphing over the US, you are > telling me this is business as usual. Forgive me but I do not feel ok with > allowing that to continue. > > Just because something evil is the established way of things or is > becoming the established way of things doesn't mean we have to or should > accept it. Perhaps *you* should stop being so cold and jaded about the > evils of the world and put some you know *effort* into fixing them instead > of trying to shout down anyone who tries or talks about trying to make the > world better. > > You are honestly implying that there is absolutely nothing that can ever > be done ever and we should all just lie down and take it, can you > understand why I might take issue with that perspective? You are saying in > essence "There is no more room to improve so we should never again try." > > All that is necessary *for evil to triumph* is for good people to do > nothing. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >
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