On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:40 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:

> But unfortunately, you're right - most places have screwed up their DR 
> planning
> and can't shut down.  They've also screwed up their network config so it 
> isn't trivial
> to track down which port a problem attacker is on. (And yes, tracking down a
> miscreant at level 2/3 *is* trivial if your network is in fact properly 
> designed
> and managed)

Once upon is time people cry-- "no more free bugs" and is now
MusntLive chant-- "no more is free security schooling!"

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