Hello Shawn, Saturday, September 21, 2002, 8:23:39 AM, you wrote:
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'martin f krafft' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Thanks for being so productive. And thanks for the cookie. Oh, and >> thanks for replying to the list! Thanks for being what you are, and >> *thanks* for shutting up! MS> You're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome (I think), MS> and on the last one, I'm afraid shutting up has never been my strong suit. MS> Oh, and lucky you, I'm replying to the list again! Consider yourself blessed MS> that I have no life. Actually since I didn't start the thread, and since MS> it's a relevant discussion, I see no harm at all, although I hope we're MS> finally done flogging this issue. MS> Since the less elegant answer wasn't appreciated, here's the more cerebral MS> response. It's been said on the list ad infinitum already, and I'm MS> personally sick of hearing it and sick of hearing people who don't get it -- MS> I figure if it hasn't sunk in by now it's not gonna, but what the hell, I MS> like charging at windmills. MS> It's works like this: Free Speech is NOT free. In fact it costs a lot. MS> Having a forum with zero moderation and next to no rules (there are some, MS> but with no moderation, they're not terribly enforceable) means the noise MS> level will be high, sometimes unbearably so. I've seen it go through three MS> or four iterations since the list's inception: the initial PHC floods / MS> spoofs, coupla others, the real Gobbles (and the people who love him), MS> bizarro Gobbles (and the people who can't tell the difference), MS> memetic_engineer's stuff, and so forth. MS> Still, throughout the trolling, spamming, hat-color jihads, navel-gazing, MS> and flamewars there have been a LOT of gems that wouldn't have shown up MS> elsewhere, like Solar Eclipse's posts of late, the Snosoft v. HP threads, MS> things that SFOnline wouldn't let through, lots of fun sort of barroom MS> rambling, (plus some really funny trolls), things that you never see MS> anywhere else. Helluva lot more interesting to read than an advisory on MS> DOS'ing videoconferencing boxes, if you ask me. MS> That's what this list is, like it or lump it. Proposing dumping Hushmail/com MS> / Hush.com is like killfiling anon.penet.fi way back when. Yes you'll remove MS> some noise, but also some signal. Personally I don't find losing ANY of the MS> signal acceptable, at any cost. I'm willing to do the work of sorting MS> through the rest. I think the owners of this list agree. That's why I MS> subscribed, why did you? MS> In short, use filters, don't feed the trolls, and lighten up. Moderation MS> (hopefully) is never going to happen, and God bless Len for it. Vulnwatch, MS> NT-Bugtraq, Vuln-Discuss, etc are where to go for the play-by-play; this MS> list for the color commentary. MS> --shawn >> also sprach Moyer, Shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.09.21.0147 +0200]: >> > Say it with me now: >> > >> > Proc.... >> > >> > Mail.... >> > >> > Yay! I knew you could! You get a cookie! MS> _______________________________________________ MS> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. MS> Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html That's it. I'm unsubscribing. It's a waste of my valuable time to delete endless amount of mails in my mailbox coming from this useless mailing list. Idea originally was good, but it turns out I have _nothing_ to gain from it at all. All I see is arguing and kiddie stuff. Bye all. I still prefer bugtraq, at least it's clean. -- Best regards, Mik- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
